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[Oracle]

.. Now, do you have any evidence for your claims of earthquakes, and village-erasing "weather"?

I didn't make any claims, since I was not the one blaming the RoC/GCs of "razing" Mosques.

But, I was trying to determine what evidence you had which drew you to make the accusations. It surmised that you were making assumptions, without evidence; or at the least, addressing other possibilities.

It's very Confucian to assume that both 'sides' must always be equal in their wrongdoings.

As it is, I enjoyed reading the discussion you had with icarus and the introduction of the new evidence from DT. Pieces of the puzzle ...

[samarkeolog]

.. Now, do you have any evidence for your claims of earthquakes, and village-erasing "weather"?

I didn't make any claims, since I was not the one blaming the RoC/GCs of "razing" Mosques.

But, I was trying to determine what evidence you had which drew you to make the accusations. It surmised that you were making assumptions, without evidence; or at the least, addressing other possibilities.

It's very Confucian to assume that both 'sides' must always be equal in their wrongdoings.

What is it when you assume one side is blameless and the other is responsible for everything?

[Oracle]

.. Now, do you have any evidence for your claims of earthquakes, and village-erasing "weather"?

I didn't make any claims, since I was not the one blaming the RoC/GCs of "razing" Mosques.

But, I was trying to determine what evidence you had which drew you to make the accusations. It surmised that you were making assumptions, without evidence; or at the least, addressing other possibilities.

It's very Confucian to assume that both 'sides' must always be equal in their wrongdoings.

What is it when you assume one side is blameless and the other is responsible for everything?

It's making an 'assumption' which would be wrong ... and not that such 'extremes' are not possible.

[Icarus]

.. Now, do you have any evidence for your claims of earthquakes, and village-erasing "weather"?

I didn't make any claims, since I was not the one blaming the RoC/GCs of "razing" Mosques.

But, I was trying to determine what evidence you had which drew you to make the accusations. It surmised that you were making assumptions, without evidence; or at the least, addressing other possibilities.

It's very Confucian to assume that both 'sides' must always be equal in their wrongdoings.

What is it when you assume one side is blameless and the other is responsible for everything?

Because Cyprus is still occupied after 35 years. GC's are prevented from returning to their homes and Turkey is solely responsible for this.

Those that cling on to the past are usually those that want to justify the Turkish invasion.

And it also appears that you recognise the legitimacy of the "TRNC", through your posts.

It appears that you have done much research on TC buildings and villages that were destroyed, but not nearly enough about the complete desecration of GC villages and antiquities. Why are you so one sided?

But you have also made some invalid assumptions about the graffiti on some of these buildings, which really raises some questions about the validity of some of your research.

I will answer your other post shortly.

[samarkeolog]

.. Now, do you have any evidence for your claims of earthquakes, and village-erasing "weather"?

I didn't make any claims, since I was not the one blaming the RoC/GCs of "razing" Mosques.

But, I was trying to determine what evidence you had which drew you to make the accusations. It surmised that you were making assumptions, without evidence; or at the least, addressing other possibilities.

It's very Confucian to assume that both 'sides' must always be equal in their wrongdoings.

What is it when you assume one side is blameless and the other is responsible for everything?

Because Cyprus is still occupied after 35 years. GC's are prevented from returning to their homes and Turkey is solely responsible for this.

Those that cling on to the past are usually those that want to justify the Turkish invasion.

And it also appears that you recognise the legitimacy of the "TRNC", through your posts.

No, I don't.

It appears that you have done much research on TC buildings and villages that were destroyed, but not nearly enough about the complete desecration of GC villages and antiquities. Why are you so one sided?

Greek Cypriots call me a Turk-lover; Turkish Cypriots call me a Greek-lover. The only people who've ever said it in a nice way were Kurds; they recognised me as a Kurd-lover.

I have put up photo blogs of more Turkish Cypriot villages than I have Greek Cypriot villages because more Turkish Cypriot villages were destroyed.

As far as I can remember, I haven't put up any blogs or posts about individual churches or mosques.

The destruction of churches is an internationally-known crime, with huge amounts of documentation in books, on film, in photographs, on the internet; the destruction of mosques and villages is not. And only rabid Turkish nationalists deny the destruction of Greek Cypriot churches. But lots of people do not know, or know but deny, what happened to Turkish Cypriot mosques and villages.

My work does achieve balance. When I finish my PhD, I can send you a PDF of the thesis, and you can see for yourself.

I spent six months in northern Cyprus, visiting churches and villages, talking to enclaved Greek Cypriots, Kurdish workers, anti-nationalist Turkish settlers. Try looking at Rizokarpaso: cultural heritage and community.

I would have stayed longer, but, as I have mentioned before, and on this thread, I was under surveillance; I, my flat, my computer and my fieldwork notes were searched; I, my friends, informants and strangers were questioned. So I left, before they caused any more trouble for the people they had been questioning, and before they took my photographs or notes.

But you have also made some invalid assumptions about the graffiti on some of these buildings, which really raises some questions about the validity of some of your research.

I will answer your other post shortly.

I didn't make assumptions. I spoke with someone, on the island, who had worked with the British forces, and he told me what the military graffiti meant; but he was wrong, and when I repeated it, I was wrong.

You shouldn't assume that Oracle's interpretation of what I have said and done is correct.

You can visit the villages I've talked about. You can see them for yourself. You can make up your own mind if all of these Turkish Cypriot villages were washed away in the rain like Oracle thinks, or whether some, few, Greek Cypriots, might be nationalistic and violent and might sometimes do bad things.

[halil]

No one must tell how damages has been done to Turkish Cypriots .

This is the way samarkeolog .... all the reports must be one sided in Cyprus.

This is the only way our GC's or Greek friends in this forum or at other platforms wants ..... whoever says damages has been done at both sides or TC's are also suffered like u are ...... They don't like those reports or documents or evidences .... who ever says or shows such a documents are the Turkish lovers and enemies of the GC's or Greeks.

what i can see from your works u are writing all the evidences that u obtained up to now from both sides .It shows very clearly how the both sides are destroyed and what was going on on those days also now .How the systematic srirring up plans goes on to seperate both communitties .we need such a balance and brave men to do more research and give us more information .

[Oracle]

.. Now, do you have any evidence for your claims of earthquakes, and village-erasing "weather"?

I didn't make any claims, since I was not the one blaming the RoC/GCs of "razing" Mosques.

But, I was trying to determine what evidence you had which drew you to make the accusations. It surmised that you were making assumptions, without evidence; or at the least, addressing other possibilities.

It's very Confucian to assume that both 'sides' must always be equal in their wrongdoings.

What is it when you assume one side is blameless and the other is responsible for everything?

Because Cyprus is still occupied after 35 years. GC's are prevented from returning to their homes and Turkey is solely responsible for this.

Those that cling on to the past are usually those that want to justify the Turkish invasion.

And it also appears that you recognise the legitimacy of the "TRNC", through your posts.

No, I don't.

It appears that you have done much research on TC buildings and villages that were destroyed, but not nearly enough about the complete desecration of GC villages and antiquities. Why are you so one sided?

Greek Cypriots call me a Turk-lover; Turkish Cypriots call me a Greek-lover. The only people who've ever said it in a nice way were Kurds; they recognised me as a Kurd-lover.

I have put up photo blogs of more Turkish Cypriot villages than I have Greek Cypriot villages because more Turkish Cypriot villages were destroyed.

As far as I can remember, I haven't put up any blogs or posts about individual churches or mosques.

The destruction of churches is an internationally-known crime, with huge amounts of documentation in books, on film, in photographs, on the internet; the destruction of mosques and villages is not. And only rabid Turkish nationalists deny the destruction of Greek Cypriot churches. But lots of people do not know, or know but deny, what happened to Turkish Cypriot mosques and villages.

My work does achieve balance. When I finish my PhD, I can send you a PDF of the thesis, and you can see for yourself.

I spent six months in northern Cyprus, visiting churches and villages, talking to enclaved Greek Cypriots, Kurdish workers, anti-nationalist Turkish settlers. Try looking at Rizokarpaso: cultural heritage and community.

I would have stayed longer, but, as I have mentioned before, and on this thread, I was under surveillance; I, my flat, my computer and my fieldwork notes were searched; I, my friends, informants and strangers were questioned. So I left, before they caused any more trouble for the people they had been questioning, and before they took my photographs or notes.

But you have also made some invalid assumptions about the graffiti on some of these buildings, which really raises some questions about the validity of some of your research.

I will answer your other post shortly.

I didn't make assumptions. I spoke with someone, on the island, who had worked with the British forces, and he told me what the military graffiti meant; but he was wrong, and when I repeated it, I was wrong.

You shouldn't assume that Oracle's interpretation of what I have said and done is correct.

You can visit the villages I've talked about. You can see them for yourself. You can make up your own mind if all of these Turkish Cypriot villages were washed away in the rain like Oracle thinks, or whether some, few, Greek Cypriots, might be nationalistic and violent and might sometimes do bad things.

This is what "Oracle" said to you ...

Before you make sweeping statements, perhaps you need to look into the history of "entire Turkish Cypriot villages " that were "destroyed" or of "razed" mosques .... and make sure that the Turkish Army/TMT or more natural elements like earthquakes and weather were not instrumental in these processes.

You are very sensitive and prone to let your emotions cloud your judgement

[halil]

we all see on this forum how the Greek Cypriots churches destroyed in North .

This is the seconed time i am writing down total TC's mosques destroyed in South Cyprus as follows.

They are all well documented . ıt can be proved any time.

Total Mosques in Sothern Cyprus: 102

Totally Destroyed:16
In bad condition:14
Neglected:47

[samarkeolog]

.. Now, do you have any evidence for your claims of earthquakes, and village-erasing "weather"?

I didn't make any claims, since I was not the one blaming the RoC/GCs of "razing" Mosques.

But, I was trying to determine what evidence you had which drew you to make the accusations. It surmised that you were making assumptions, without evidence; or at the least, addressing other possibilities.

It's very Confucian to assume that both 'sides' must always be equal in their wrongdoings.

What is it when you assume one side is blameless and the other is responsible for everything?

Because Cyprus is still occupied after 35 years. GC's are prevented from returning to their homes and Turkey is solely responsible for this.

Those that cling on to the past are usually those that want to justify the Turkish invasion.

And it also appears that you recognise the legitimacy of the "TRNC", through your posts.

No, I don't.

It appears that you have done much research on TC buildings and villages that were destroyed, but not nearly enough about the complete desecration of GC villages and antiquities. Why are you so one sided?

Greek Cypriots call me a Turk-lover; Turkish Cypriots call me a Greek-lover. The only people who've ever said it in a nice way were Kurds; they recognised me as a Kurd-lover.

I have put up photo blogs of more Turkish Cypriot villages than I have Greek Cypriot villages because more Turkish Cypriot villages were destroyed.

As far as I can remember, I haven't put up any blogs or posts about individual churches or mosques.

The destruction of churches is an internationally-known crime, with huge amounts of documentation in books, on film, in photographs, on the internet; the destruction of mosques and villages is not. And only rabid Turkish nationalists deny the destruction of Greek Cypriot churches. But lots of people do not know, or know but deny, what happened to Turkish Cypriot mosques and villages.

My work does achieve balance. When I finish my PhD, I can send you a PDF of the thesis, and you can see for yourself.

I spent six months in northern Cyprus, visiting churches and villages, talking to enclaved Greek Cypriots, Kurdish workers, anti-nationalist Turkish settlers. Try looking at Rizokarpaso: cultural heritage and community.

I would have stayed longer, but, as I have mentioned before, and on this thread, I was under surveillance; I, my flat, my computer and my fieldwork notes were searched; I, my friends, informants and strangers were questioned. So I left, before they caused any more trouble for the people they had been questioning, and before they took my photographs or notes.

But you have also made some invalid assumptions about the graffiti on some of these buildings, which really raises some questions about the validity of some of your research.

I will answer your other post shortly.

I didn't make assumptions. I spoke with someone, on the island, who had worked with the British forces, and he told me what the military graffiti meant; but he was wrong, and when I repeated it, I was wrong.

You shouldn't assume that Oracle's interpretation of what I have said and done is correct.

You can visit the villages I've talked about. You can see them for yourself. You can make up your own mind if all of these Turkish Cypriot villages were washed away in the rain like Oracle thinks, or whether some, few, Greek Cypriots, might be nationalistic and violent and might sometimes do bad things.

This is what "Oracle" said to you ...

Before you make sweeping statements, perhaps you need to look into the history of "entire Turkish Cypriot villages " that were "destroyed" or of "razed" mosques .... and make sure that the Turkish Army/TMT or more natural elements like earthquakes and weather were not instrumental in these processes.

You are very sensitive and prone to let your emotions cloud your judgement

Sorry, yes, either rain, or the Turkish Army snuck out of its barracks, and TMT snuck out of the enclaves, got to the abandoned villages without anyone noticing, destroyed the homes and mosques without anyone noticing, then got back to their barracks and enclaves without anyone noticing again. Maybe they did it at night - I hear the National Guard are very heavy sleepers.

Oracle, you know I've written about TMT's false flag operations - its bombings of Bayraktar and Omeriye Mosque, etc. - (as I have about Akritas's attack on the Markos Drakos Memorial). Again, like everything else, I don't deny that TMT did do some false flag operations. But they didn't do every single bad thing that ever happened on the island.

And I provided completely new eyewitness testimony to show that the Turkish Cypriot administration had "repaired" two mosques that had not been damaged, to help their propaganda.

(Similarly, I showed how the Greek Cypriot administration "virtually rebuilt" Evdimou Mosque so no-one could tell it had been damaged/destroyed. I showed how it included that mosque in every edition of its book on Islamic sites in Cyprus, without ever once acknowledging that it had been damaged at all, and how it used space in that book to talk about damage to churches.)

[EPSILON]

we all see on this forum how the Greek Cypriots churches destroyed in North .

This is the seconed time i am writing down total TC's mosques destroyed in South Cyprus as follows.

They are all well documented . ıt can be proved any time.

Total Mosques in Sothern Cyprus: 102

Totally Destroyed:16
In bad condition:14
Neglected:47

Ok Halil, keep the change.

by the way what about the passport of Talat- What kind of passport he is using when he travels in Europe-can you ask him pls and let us know?