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by **brother** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:54 pm

I think the mentality behind the E.U is so much up in the air at the moment no one knows what it stands for hence the remarks like murtaza.

The E.U is on the verge of growing up, i think, but we have to wait and see what it plans to turn into, will it be like the u.s, one army one goverment or keep going the way it is going.

by **cannedmoose** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 8:59 pm

I think it's more likely that it will shift away from deepening and just attempt to consolidate. Once the budget debate has been addressed, it will all flow from there. It's ridiculous that 50% of the EUs core budget is still spent on agricultural subsidies. For once I agree with Phoney Tony that it's about time the EU had a root-and-branch reform.

by **Murtaza** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:02 pm

I dont think, Turkey will struggle that much for EU. But I hope We will not be also enemy of EU.

Like old good times :wink:

by **brother** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:03 pm

Consolidate into what though, a single goverment?

by **cannedmoose** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:15 pm

brother wrote:Consolidate into what though, a single goverment?

Far from it, I mean the 'deepening' project will come to a conclusion and it will remain a Union of shared sovereignty in some areas, but with the nation-states having the call through the Council. I can't see a superstate evolving any time soon.

by **brother** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:21 pm

You see i think the 'super state' as you named it is probably the best thing for it to evolve into hence membership candidates like Turkey would know where it stands and would understand that membership meant something like 'all for one and one for all' hence it would either go the full hog or just go away.

by **magikthrill** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:45 pm

Murtaza wrote:
If we enter EU, It would give us some power against Russia.
I prefer it.

only russia will probably enter the EU before turkey.

by **Murtaza** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:47 pm

magikthrill

I dont think so, as Turkey, Russia is also an asian country.
And They will have more and more influence than Turkey.

by **magikthrill** » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:48 pm

another thing i was wondering.

is it true that the TUrks of Asia Minor and big cities such as Istanbul are "xenophobic" towards the Turks of deep Anatolial; do they see them as different people that they would rather not have in their country?

by Turkey (( * » Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:48 pm

You sure about that?? I mean taking Russia into EU would be a suicide attempt!

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