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[Oracle]

Post anything you consider of inspirational value in our everyday world which has its origins in the Ancient world ... ignited by our Greek ancestors ... the fathers of modern Europe and beyond!

I'll start with something simple ... DANCE.

Here is the "Veil Dance" of Aphrodite ... re-enacted using evidence from Drama and Amphora ...

[Get Real!]

Sure! Once the ancient Greeks were overrun by the Dorians (who came from modern day Bulgaria, Macedonia, Serbia, etc) the Mycenaeans were annihilated and your culture took on a Slavic turn as witnessed by the similarity in all these traditional dances…

Traditional Greek Dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8q7ioArYm0

Traditional Bulgarian Dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xWgryw9FI8

Traditional Albanian Dance (skip to half way through the video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRx81InxgdM

Romanian Traditional Dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiGON4SX4oQ

Serbian traditional dance
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r47uTyCi ... BF&index=1

Of course, you'll find nothing like that on Cyprus for obvious reasons!

[Oracle]

Thank you GR! for your contribution of some of the latter day folks and neighbours of Greece who were inspired by the ancient wisdom ...

Yes, the Dorians were one of the three major tribes of ancient Greece which caused the great synergism that is our legacy today ...

Some Ancient Greek Music ...

[Oracle]

The birth of the theatre and Greek Tragedy as Drama ...




Pure inspiration ....

[Get Real!]

Yeah, the Dorians who came and murdered Greeks to extinction decided to give up their identity and pretend to be the victims they murdered… that’s the beauty of Greek mythology!

[Oracle]

Slowly, slowly Get Real!, you are coming round to accepting how many tribes of Greeks rose and ebbed and fluctuated in dominance to weave the colourful tapestry which became the Hellenic world of which Cyprus is a part ...



A History of Ancient Greece


The Dorians


The Dorians were a major division of the ancient Greek people, distinguished by a well-marked dialect and by their subdivision, within all their communities, into the "tribes" (phylai) of Hylleis, Pamphyloi, and Dymanes. These three tribes were apparently quite separate in origin from the four tribes found among the Ionian Greeks. The Dorian people are traditionally acknowledged as the conquerors of the Peloponnese (in the period 1100-1000 Bc).


In Greek tradition, the Dorians were thought to have gained their name from Doris, a small district in central Greece. According to this tradition, the sons of Heracles, the Heraclidae, were driven from their homeland in the Peloponnese by Eurystheus of Mycenae. The Heraclidae took refuge with Aegimius, the king of Doris. Several generations later, the Heraclid brothers Temenus, Aristodemus, and Cresphontes led the "Dorians" back in a successful invasion of the Peloponnese and thus recovered their heritage.


In actual fact, the origins of the Dorians are necessarily obscure, but it appears they originated in northern and northwestern Greece, i.e., Macedonia and Epirus. From there they apparently swept southward into central Greece and then into the southern Aegean area in successive migrations beginning about 1100 BC, at the end of the Bronze Age. The invading Dorians had a relatively low cultural level, and their only major technological innovation was the iron slashing sword. The Dorians swept away the last of the declining Mycenaean and Minoan civilizations of southern Greece and plunged the region into a dark age out of which the Greek city-states began to emerge almost three centuries later.


The migrating Dorians settled chiefly in the southern and eastern Peloponnese, establishing strong centers in Laconia (and its capital, Sparta), Messenia, Argolís, and the region of the Isthmus of Corinth. They also settled the southern Aegean islands of Melos, Thera, Rhodes, and Cos, along with the island of Crete. In fact, the Dorians reached as far east as the cities of Halicarnassus and Cnidus on the coast of mainland Anatolia (now southwestern Turkey). A great wave of renewed colonization beginning in the 8th century BC brought Dorian settlers to the island of Corcyra (modern Corfu), to Syracuse, Gela, and Acragas (now Agrigento) in Sicily, to Taras (now Taranto) in Italy, and to Cyrene in North Africa, as well as to scattered sites in the Crimea and along the Black Sea. Sparta, Corinth, and Argos were among the most important cities of Doric origin.


Doric was one of the major dialects of the classical Greek language, along with the Ionic-Attic, Aioli, and Arcado-Cypriot dialect groups. But because the Ionic-Attic dialect of Athens dominated Greek culture from the 5th century BC, very little remains of ancient writings in pure Doric dialect.

The Dorian peoples had a seminal influence on the later development of Greek art. Indeed, the crowning achievements of Greek art and architecture from the 5th century BC arose from the combination of the art of the Doric peoples (with its restraint, power, and monumentality) and that of the Ionian peoples (with its grace, elegance, and ornateness). The massive and simple Doric order of architecture earned its name from its origin in the Doric-populated cities of the southern Aegean. The choral lyrics in Greek tragedy were also a Doric invention. Politically, the Dorian centers took two different courses of development. In Corinth, Rhodes, Argos, and various other mercantile-oriented city-states, the Dorian invaders, though at first reserving political power unto themselves, eventually merged with the conquered indigenous peoples of their regions. In Sparta and the island of Crete, by contrast, the Dorians kept power to themselves and constituted themselves into a ruling military class. These militarized Dorian aristocracies deliberately "froze" an archaic form of society (and sacrificed most of their cultural and artistic promise in the process) in order to maintain dominance over a larger population of serfs.


Source: World History Center

[Get Real!]

Oh look! One of your Macedonian “Greeks” doesn’t think so…

From the Little Book of BIG Greek Lies
BIG Greek Lie # 1
by Risto Stefov
April 2005
[email protected]
Click Here for Other Greek Lies
"Modern Greeks are direct descendents of the Ancient Greeks"
(The greatest victims of Greek lies are the Greeks themselves)

http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov55.html

Conclusion: The modern Greeks are not only NOT direct descendents of the ancients, but their Greekness is a myth, a modern 19th century creation.

[Oracle]

:shock: Oh look! One of your Macedonian “Greeks” doesn’t think so…

From the Little Book of BIG Greek Lies
BIG Greek Lie # 1
by Risto Stefov
April 2005
[email protected]
Click Here for Other Greek Lies
"Modern Greeks are direct descendents of the Ancient Greeks"
(The greatest victims of Greek lies are the Greeks themselves)

http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov55.html

Conclusion: The modern Greeks are not only NOT direct descendents of the ancients, but their Greekness is a myth, a modern 19th century creation.

Back to your familiar rubbish GR!

Since you fail to move on and acquire knowledge and wisdom from the wealth of historical information poured down your throat ... let's see if we can get to the bottom of what's bugging you about the Greeks ...


You conclude (from sources unreliable ):

"The modern Greeks are not only NOT direct descendents of the ancients, but their Greekness is a myth, a modern 19th century creation"

... So who were these "ancients" which you believe were the only ones worthy of being called "Greeks"?

Who were they and why have they mysteriously disappeared without trace?

Are you getting confused with Atlantis?

[Simon]

:shock: Oh look! One of your Macedonian “Greeks” doesn’t think so…

From the Little Book of BIG Greek Lies
BIG Greek Lie # 1
by Risto Stefov
April 2005
[email protected]
Click Here for Other Greek Lies
"Modern Greeks are direct descendents of the Ancient Greeks"
(The greatest victims of Greek lies are the Greeks themselves)

http://www.maknews.com/html/articles/st ... fov55.html

Conclusion: The modern Greeks are not only NOT direct descendents of the ancients, but their Greekness is a myth, a modern 19th century creation.

You really are becoming boring with your FYROM propaganda websites GR.

And what are you talking about "Macedonian Greeks" ? This is a FYROM website, written by someone who hates Greece. You are so clueless.

[Get Real!]

You really are becoming boring with your FYROM propaganda websites GR.

And what are you talking about "Macedonian Greeks" ? This guy is from FYROM. You are so clueless.

What is "boring" for Greek nationalist dogs is VERY GOOD for Cypriots.