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Postby Cypriana22 » Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:18 pm

Will Turkey make more concessions over Cyprus to become an EU member? Will it ever make it?
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Postby Cyprus » Sat Jun 12, 2004 11:43 pm

May be yes may be not.But i don't think that she will give concessions!

She supported UN's solution plan and TC's said a big YES to solution and UN's plan !So we did everything we can for solution.
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Jun 13, 2004 9:49 am

After 1974, successive turkish governments claimed that the cy problem was solved by the "peace operation". When Ertogan came to power, Turkey, for the first time, accepted that a problem existed that needed to be addressed. In a relatively short time, the new administration worked closely with the GS of UN, helped in the formulation, and accepted a plan that the whole world, including Greece, considered to be balanced and a way forward. Thus, Turkey and the Tcps have done their part and nobody expects them to do any more. Cyprus is simply not an issue for turkey's eyropean accession path. If in December Turkey gets a date, then I feel, Turkey will not have a reason to solve the Cyprus issue. If Turkey does not get a date, Ertogan will be weakened significantly, and the deep state may surface again. Either way Cyprus is a loser. Partition is on our doorsteps. Papadopoulos (and Christofias) have signed the death certificate of our country.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jun 13, 2004 10:25 am

Papadopoulos (and Christofias) have signed the death certificate of our country.


The death certificate was the Annan plan and we never signed it.

Thus, Turkey and the Tcps have done their part and nobody expects them to do any more.


You obviously don't.
It is sad how some GCs still have the mentality of slaves.

The Annan plan was just that: a plan. There are numerous UN resolutions that call for the removal of Turkish troops from Cyprus. Turkey continues to illegally occupy part of the Republic of Cyprus and no plan can make them innocent for their criminal actions.
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Postby Cyprus » Sun Jun 13, 2004 1:15 pm

Turkey continues to illegally occupy part of the Republic of Cyprus and no plan can make them innocent for their criminal actions.


If Turkey removes her soldiers from Cyprus and she lets 650 of them to remain what will you say?
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jun 13, 2004 2:47 pm

If Turkey removes her soldiers from Cyprus and she lets 650 of them to remain what will you say?


The point is not the number of soldiers in Cyprus. Turkey can have nobody in Cyprus and bring thousands in just minutes.
So 650, 6500 or 65000 makes no difference to me.

The point is that Turkey should stop the occupation, and recognize that has no jurisdiction in Cyprus.
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Postby metecyp » Sun Jun 13, 2004 6:56 pm

The point is that Turkey should stop the occupation, and recognize that has no jurisdiction in Cyprus.

This will happen when GCs accept that they have no jurisdiction over TCs and TCs are politically equal to GCs as stated in the Annan plan. You can't ask the end of occupation without fixing the reasons behind it because no TC wants to go through hell again.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:20 pm

This will happen when GCs accept that they have no jurisdiction over TCs and TCs are politically equal to GCs as stated in the Annan plan. You can't ask the end of occupation without fixing the reasons behind it because no TC wants to go through hell again.


The Annan plan was rejected.
What we have is Republic of Cyprus that should have jurisdiction over the whole island. If you don't want that and you want to support the illegal occupation and keep the stolen land and be our enemy thats your choice.

So according to you the reason of the occupation is that an 18% minority is not politically equal with the 78% majority? Such a lame excuse not even the Americans would give to occupy another country!

Why you don't cut the crap and admit that what you want is to keep the land that you stole from us as your own using the military power of Turkey?
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:26 pm

I should like to remind every body that the strongest opponents of the A plan were Denktash, Papadopoulos, the church, Acevit, Matsakis etc. The A plan was a missed opportunity for Cypriots to put the past behind and make a fresh start. We were unlucky, at the most critical point of our history we had a president who is renoun for his anti-turk sentiments and who was the vice leader of Akritas plan that aimed at wiping out the Tcps in one night!
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Postby Piratis » Sun Jun 13, 2004 7:36 pm

You are wrong. I am the strongest opponent of the Annan plan and the same is about everybody else that I know.
We didn't get Papadopoulos as president in the lottery. We elected him.
It has nothing to do with luck. It has everything to do with choice. If you don't agree with the choices of the majority thats your right, but either you like it or not you have to accept it and stop crying like a baby that didn't get his ice-cream.
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