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[Piratis]

Multiculturalism cannot possibly survive. Anyone with an ounce of common sense sees it - it is the deliberate thrusting together of cultures to create a conflict. The conflict will be permanent until one culture dominates. And in this case one culture is not wasting any time thank you - our good friend Islam. Multiculturalism is a collection of cultures - cultures are based on an ethnic group or a collection of subgroups who originate in a geographical location and have a history. If that culture is exported, it either has to dominate in order for future generations to perpetuate it or the future generations lose it. That is a fact.
If it dominates then you have merely replaced the original dominant culture with a new dominant culture. You no longer have multiculturalism or you have a class riven society. In the UK and in Canada you had a dominant culture which was enlightened enough to tolerate a small minority of other cultures who either happily assimilated or were pleased to remain a microcosm and took advantage of their "differences" i.e. Chinatown and Indian areas. They still supported the doiminant culture because they knew what side their bread was buttered. Canada - have you forgotten Quebec? The Quebecois have always demanded either to be dominant or to be seperated - thats multiculturalism? Thats failure of multiculturalism. The only way to make it work is to mix a bunch of ethnicities together and create a new culture and what do you have? A domnant culture!!!! Argue around circles, multiculturalism does not work by definition and is the potential destruction of all the developments that could still be good for this planet. If populations are permitted to assimilate and mix organically rather than by force then over say a thousand years the races will mix but the cultures will die. If you force it, you are are another Stalin.

In Cyprus TCs demand either to be the equals or to be seperated while GCs demand either to be the dominant or to be the dominant!

So when are you going back to Turkey so we can solve the problem you deliberately created by coming to our island?

It is not ur island... However if u believe buggering off of one ethnic group would solve the problem then u go back to where u come from, why should we the TCs leave?

Because you are the one who has a problem with Multiculturalism. Didn't you just say that Multiculturalism "is the deliberate thrusting together of cultures to create a conflict"? We have already been on the island for 1000s of years before you came to deliberately create conflict. You came here creating the problem, and since Multiculturalism can not work (according to you) the only way to end the conflict and the problem is for you to go back to where you came from.

[insan]

Multiculturalism cannot possibly survive. Anyone with an ounce of common sense sees it - it is the deliberate thrusting together of cultures to create a conflict. The conflict will be permanent until one culture dominates. And in this case one culture is not wasting any time thank you - our good friend Islam. Multiculturalism is a collection of cultures - cultures are based on an ethnic group or a collection of subgroups who originate in a geographical location and have a history. If that culture is exported, it either has to dominate in order for future generations to perpetuate it or the future generations lose it. That is a fact.
If it dominates then you have merely replaced the original dominant culture with a new dominant culture. You no longer have multiculturalism or you have a class riven society. In the UK and in Canada you had a dominant culture which was enlightened enough to tolerate a small minority of other cultures who either happily assimilated or were pleased to remain a microcosm and took advantage of their "differences" i.e. Chinatown and Indian areas. They still supported the doiminant culture because they knew what side their bread was buttered. Canada - have you forgotten Quebec? The Quebecois have always demanded either to be dominant or to be seperated - thats multiculturalism? Thats failure of multiculturalism. The only way to make it work is to mix a bunch of ethnicities together and create a new culture and what do you have? A domnant culture!!!! Argue around circles, multiculturalism does not work by definition and is the potential destruction of all the developments that could still be good for this planet. If populations are permitted to assimilate and mix organically rather than by force then over say a thousand years the races will mix but the cultures will die. If you force it, you are are another Stalin.

In Cyprus TCs demand either to be the equals or to be seperated while GCs demand either to be the dominant or to be the dominant!

So when are you going back to Turkey so we can solve the problem you deliberately created by coming to our island?

It is not ur island... However if u believe buggering off of one ethnic group would solve the problem then u go back to where u come from, why should we the TCs leave?

Because you are the one who has a problem with Multiculturalism. Didn't you just say that Multiculturalism "is the deliberate thrusting together of cultures to create a conflict"? We have already been on the island for 1000s of years before you came to deliberately create conflict. You came here creating the problem, and since Multiculturalism can not work (according to you) the only way to end the conflict and the problem is for you to go back to where you came from.

You skipped my point that explains why multiculturalism does not work... because of the domination attempts of outnumbering ethnic group... See problem is ur domination attempts, so u need to go back where u came from...

[maya01]

I believe multiculturalism can work. I'm from a countries that is multicultural and multiethnic. I don't believe my race is better than any one elses there. You just have to understand each others' backgrounds. We cook eat others' foods on a daily basis. My family is a complete rainbow of races. I grew up thinking that this is normal because its everywhere in society. I love it! Actually this year's independence motto was Diverse Origins, Common Aspirations; Together We Celebrate.

[bill cobbett]

I believe multiculturalism can work. I'm from a countries that is multicultural and multiethnic. I don't believe my race is better than any one elses there. You just have to understand each others' backgrounds. We cook eat others' foods on a daily basis. My family is a complete rainbow of races. I grew up thinking that this is normal because its everywhere in society. I love it! Actually this year's independence motto was Diverse Origins, Common Aspirations; Together We Celebrate.

Yes, in my experience of a lifetime living here in London, England it can work and yes there's a lot to be had from experiencing other cultures but where it can led to problems, and this has to be said, when we don't respect that there is a dominant culture, the culture of the majority indegenous people which lays down the ground rules. In the case of London, it's the dominant Anglo-Saxon culture and have always been happy to fit in with them.

Welcome to CF.

[Paphitis]

Multiculturalism doesn't work, no matter what ethnic group are involved; it's not the fault of the ethnic groups but multiculturalism that multiculturalism doesn't work.

Therefore, the Nanny/Police State is gonna force it on you, because many people are still resisting it, like they resist other forms of state control that are based in unrealistic suppositions.



Multiculturalism, or multi-ethnicism, is an excuse for importing people from other nations.


* Industry loves it because it gives them cheap labor and new customers to buy all the products required to start up homes. Also, these people have no cultural prohibitions on buying certain things that were previously unsalable.

* Liberal politicians love it because it gives them an easy-to-pander-to, instant voting base.

* Underconfident, depressed, underachieving, disillusioned, self-pitying, low-self-esteem individuals love it because it gives them a way to take revenge on the demographic majority, who are perceived as thriving in a situation which these underconfident people are not thriving in.



This is the intersection of groups that want multiculturalism.

To everyone else, especially those who read history, it makes sense to have a nation of people pulling in roughly the same direction:


* Values systems.

* Culture.

* Heritage.

* IQ, ability and wealth.



That's how you get a stable society. People who are upset with our current society, or upset at themselves, or simply jockeying for power, are willing to sacrifice a stable society for their own needs.

That is why multiculturalism is the new taboo, and criticism of it is "bad" in the same way Satan, Stalin and nerve gas are "bad."

Of course, history shows us that we're not the first civilization to go this way. The Greeks observed how once a nation became a trading mecca and had naval power, it inevitably began to include a motley group, and eventually collapsed.

Multiculturism does work very well provided you have the right immigration policies and formulas, and many countries have proven this.

Australia, Canada, New Zealand are 3 countries which have built a very cohesive and colorful society with clever immigration policies that allow them to import wealthy, and qualified persons from overseas who are not a burden on welfare and are net contributors to society overall. They also integrate quite well.

This is why illegal immigration laws are tough in those countries, because they actually control who come in and who does not.

Sorry to spoil your fun Paphey but Australia has a very strong Anglo element (biggest racists against other Europeans, biggest liberals). Look at America, after the second world war it's European majority decreases every year as the mixed Black and Mestizos increase. This happened because the Anglo American element ( Anglo's who are controlled by Jews) took control. So what is happening in England will happen to Australia.

Firstly, there are big differences between Australia and England. Australia is an egalitarian society where every person is given a fair go. England does not have this type of society.

Furthermore, we have immigration policies in place which will ensure we don't become another England, France, Germany, US, Greece, Cyprus, etc etc.

If you don't believe me, try and migrate to Australia illegally and you will get a one way ticket to our Christmas Island Detention Centre and be imprisoned for about 1 year before your trial. Bring it on....

[Piratis]

Multiculturalism cannot possibly survive. Anyone with an ounce of common sense sees it - it is the deliberate thrusting together of cultures to create a conflict. The conflict will be permanent until one culture dominates. And in this case one culture is not wasting any time thank you - our good friend Islam. Multiculturalism is a collection of cultures - cultures are based on an ethnic group or a collection of subgroups who originate in a geographical location and have a history. If that culture is exported, it either has to dominate in order for future generations to perpetuate it or the future generations lose it. That is a fact.
If it dominates then you have merely replaced the original dominant culture with a new dominant culture. You no longer have multiculturalism or you have a class riven society. In the UK and in Canada you had a dominant culture which was enlightened enough to tolerate a small minority of other cultures who either happily assimilated or were pleased to remain a microcosm and took advantage of their "differences" i.e. Chinatown and Indian areas. They still supported the doiminant culture because they knew what side their bread was buttered. Canada - have you forgotten Quebec? The Quebecois have always demanded either to be dominant or to be seperated - thats multiculturalism? Thats failure of multiculturalism. The only way to make it work is to mix a bunch of ethnicities together and create a new culture and what do you have? A domnant culture!!!! Argue around circles, multiculturalism does not work by definition and is the potential destruction of all the developments that could still be good for this planet. If populations are permitted to assimilate and mix organically rather than by force then over say a thousand years the races will mix but the cultures will die. If you force it, you are are another Stalin.

In Cyprus TCs demand either to be the equals or to be seperated while GCs demand either to be the dominant or to be the dominant!

So when are you going back to Turkey so we can solve the problem you deliberately created by coming to our island?

It is not ur island... However if u believe buggering off of one ethnic group would solve the problem then u go back to where u come from, why should we the TCs leave?

Because you are the one who has a problem with Multiculturalism. Didn't you just say that Multiculturalism "is the deliberate thrusting together of cultures to create a conflict"? We have already been on the island for 1000s of years before you came to deliberately create conflict. You came here creating the problem, and since Multiculturalism can not work (according to you) the only way to end the conflict and the problem is for you to go back to where you came from.

You skipped my point that explains why multiculturalism does not work... because of the domination attempts of outnumbering ethnic group... See problem is ur domination attempts, so u need to go back where u came from...

It is crystal clear that it is you who invaded us with the aim to dominate and exploit us. In fact this is what you have been doing against us since the time you came to our island until today. You still refuse to accept democracy and human rights because you want to continue to use brute force to have gains on our expense.

So, either you should allow multiculturalism to work, with equal citizens in a free and democratic (one person - one vote) Cyprus without racist discriminations, or if you think that Multiculturalism can not work, then you should go back to where you came from.

It was your choice to mix with us, not our choice to mix with you. In fact you came in Cyprus and mixed with us by force without even asking us if we wanted to mix with you. So if you now admit that multiculturalism can not work then you have to fix the problem you created and go back to where you came from.

[Oracle]

You skipped my point that explains why multiculturalism does not work... because of the domination attempts of outnumbering ethnic group... See problem is ur domination attempts, so u need to go back where u came from...

Perhaps numbers play a part in the stability or otherwise of multicultural societies. But, you are wrong to presume it is due to "domination attempts of outnumbering ethnic group". It is usually the infiltrating, non-integrating minority group which eventually destabilizes a society ... Especially if the minority group refuses to accept democratic fairness.

[Svetlana]

Multiculturalism doesn't work, no matter what ethnic group are involved; it's not the fault of the ethnic groups but multiculturalism that multiculturalism doesn't work.

Therefore, the Nanny/Police State is gonna force it on you, because many people are still resisting it, like they resist other forms of state control that are based in unrealistic suppositions.



Multiculturalism, or multi-ethnicism, is an excuse for importing people from other nations.


* Industry loves it because it gives them cheap labor and new customers to buy all the products required to start up homes. Also, these people have no cultural prohibitions on buying certain things that were previously unsalable.

* Liberal politicians love it because it gives them an easy-to-pander-to, instant voting base.

* Underconfident, depressed, underachieving, disillusioned, self-pitying, low-self-esteem individuals love it because it gives them a way to take revenge on the demographic majority, who are perceived as thriving in a situation which these underconfident people are not thriving in.



This is the intersection of groups that want multiculturalism.

To everyone else, especially those who read history, it makes sense to have a nation of people pulling in roughly the same direction:


* Values systems.

* Culture.

* Heritage.

* IQ, ability and wealth.



That's how you get a stable society. People who are upset with our current society, or upset at themselves, or simply jockeying for power, are willing to sacrifice a stable society for their own needs.

That is why multiculturalism is the new taboo, and criticism of it is "bad" in the same way Satan, Stalin and nerve gas are "bad."

Of course, history shows us that we're not the first civilization to go this way. The Greeks observed how once a nation became a trading mecca and had naval power, it inevitably began to include a motley group, and eventually collapsed.

Multiculturism does work very well provided you have the right immigration policies and formulas, and many countries have proven this.

Australia, Canada, New Zealand are 3 countries which have built a very cohesive and colorful society with clever immigration policies that allow them to import wealthy, and qualified persons from overseas who are not a burden on welfare and are net contributors to society overall. They also integrate quite well.

This is why illegal immigration laws are tough in those countries, because they actually control who come in and who does not.

Paphitis

As an aside, what has happened to the 76 Tamil 'illegals' who were being taken in an Australian Customes boat to one of the Indonesian islands; I understood the Indonesians said they would not let them land?
I cannot find the latest news.
Lana

[Paphitis]

Multiculturalism doesn't work, no matter what ethnic group are involved; it's not the fault of the ethnic groups but multiculturalism that multiculturalism doesn't work.

Therefore, the Nanny/Police State is gonna force it on you, because many people are still resisting it, like they resist other forms of state control that are based in unrealistic suppositions.



Multiculturalism, or multi-ethnicism, is an excuse for importing people from other nations.


* Industry loves it because it gives them cheap labor and new customers to buy all the products required to start up homes. Also, these people have no cultural prohibitions on buying certain things that were previously unsalable.

* Liberal politicians love it because it gives them an easy-to-pander-to, instant voting base.

* Underconfident, depressed, underachieving, disillusioned, self-pitying, low-self-esteem individuals love it because it gives them a way to take revenge on the demographic majority, who are perceived as thriving in a situation which these underconfident people are not thriving in.



This is the intersection of groups that want multiculturalism.

To everyone else, especially those who read history, it makes sense to have a nation of people pulling in roughly the same direction:


* Values systems.

* Culture.

* Heritage.

* IQ, ability and wealth.



That's how you get a stable society. People who are upset with our current society, or upset at themselves, or simply jockeying for power, are willing to sacrifice a stable society for their own needs.

That is why multiculturalism is the new taboo, and criticism of it is "bad" in the same way Satan, Stalin and nerve gas are "bad."

Of course, history shows us that we're not the first civilization to go this way. The Greeks observed how once a nation became a trading mecca and had naval power, it inevitably began to include a motley group, and eventually collapsed.

Multiculturism does work very well provided you have the right immigration policies and formulas, and many countries have proven this.

Australia, Canada, New Zealand are 3 countries which have built a very cohesive and colorful society with clever immigration policies that allow them to import wealthy, and qualified persons from overseas who are not a burden on welfare and are net contributors to society overall. They also integrate quite well.

This is why illegal immigration laws are tough in those countries, because they actually control who come in and who does not.

Paphitis

As an aside, what has happened to the 76 Tamil 'illegals' who were being taken in an Australian Customs boat to one of the Indonesian islands; I understood the Indonesians said they would not let them land?
I cannot find the latest news.
Lana

These Tamil illegals were intercepted by the Royal Australian Navy in Indonesian Waters. The navy responded to a distress call from their boat as they were taking in water. They were then transported to Indonesia, as agreed between both Indonesia and Australia. They are still on board the Customs Vessel Oceanic Viking and refuse to leave. They want to be taken to Australia which was their intended destination. The Australian Government is refusing to do this, and will not back down because it believes it will further open the flood gates to more illegal arrivals in Australia and it does not want to be accused to be soft on illegal immigration.

At the moment, Parliament is discussing the possibility of sending Federal Police to humanely but forcefully remove the Tamils from the Australian customs vessel.

Lately, detection rates have increased because people smugglers believed that our change in Government would be more accommodating. This has not happened, and the Labor Government is hell bent on proving that it is even more draconian than the former Liberals.

No boats have made it to Australian Waters so far. Surveillance Aircraft, Customs Maritime Patrols, RAAF, and RAN are very active at the moment. They are also assisted with Satellite surveillance and UAV aircraft. Pilots are now flying twice as much now and are fatigued. A civilian Maritime Patrol Dash 8 was shot at one month ago. It returned to base with bullet holes in its fuselage after it had passed over the bow of an Indonesian smuggler within the Australian EEZ. This vessel was boarded a few hours later by the Navy and was apprehended and turned over to Customs.

The Australian Government is liking this International attention, because it is trying to correct the image it incorrectly gave when the Labor Government entered office. To them, this media focus is sending out the message they want to send out.

You can read some more here:

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/1122 ... -Indonesia

[Cap]

Iraqi dad runs over daughter
2009-10-30 23:00

Peoria - Police say an Iraqi immigrant in Arizona has been arrested for allegedly running down his daughter because she was becoming "too Westernised."

Police in Peoria, a suburb of Phoenix, are releasing few details but say 48-year-old Faleh Almaleki is in custody in Georgia. They aren't saying where he is being held.

Jim Joyner, a spokesperson for the US Marshals Service in Atlanta, says Almaleki was arrested on Thursday when he arrived at Atlanta's airport.

His daughter, 21-year-old Noor Faleh Almaleki, is hospitalised in a serious condition. Police say the Almalekis moved to the suburb of Glendale from Iraq during the mid-'90s.

Police say Faleh Almaleki was upset that his daughter had become too "Westernised" and he aimed his car at her October 20 in a Peoria parking lot.

- AP