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Cyprus and EU co-ordination on terrorism

Postby magikthrill » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:49 am

i think i heard on the news today that there was an EU terrorism summit where the UK requested "coordination" (not the right word i know) between EU courts.

Does this mean that UK courts would also have to accept RoC court rulings for Brits woh buy houses in the occupied areas and if not then why the hell should Cyprus help them?
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Re: Cyprus and the UK's terrorism problem

Postby erolz » Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:07 am

magikthrill wrote:i think i heard on the news today that there was an EU terrorism summit where the UK requested "coordination" (not the right word i know) between EU courts.

Does this mean that UK courts would also have to accept RoC court rulings for Brits woh buy houses in the occupied areas and if not then why the hell should Cyprus help them?


You want to 'trade' the RoC helping arrest and prosecute the kind of terrorist that comitted the london bombings for the UK agreeing to prosectue UK citizens in the UK for buying a property in the north? And that if the UK refuses to do this you will refuse to help them re the type of terrorists that did the london bombings?

If the RoC were to try and block EU attempts to more effectively combat terrorism in the EU, unless they got their own way on Cyprus issues, then such acts could only damage the RoC within the EU imo. Many in the EU are already concerned at the attempted use (perversion) of EU arrest warrants (orginaly designed for illegal acts like terrorism) to persue 'illegal buyers / users' of property in the north.
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Postby magikthrill » Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:19 am

im asking wouldnt the court coordination work both ways and if it wouldnt then if another country is having a problem with it the RoC could align itself with it. as if cyprus has such a big voice. and lets not forget the biggest trouble make rin the EU: the UK.
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Postby erolz » Thu Jul 14, 2005 2:24 am

magikthrill wrote:im asking wouldnt the court coordination work both ways


Of course it would work both ways - for terrorist crimes. The reality is that despite what you or RoC may think the rest of the EU does not consider buying property in the north a crime, let alone a terrorist crime.

Like I say there is nothing new in the RoC trying to use agreements designed to stop terrorists for totaly different purposes (stopping / prosecuting people for buying property in the north in countries outside the RoC). Such acts have not done the RoC any favours in the EU. To try and extend this 'strategy' to these latest efforts aimed at reducing terroism in the EU will only lead to the RoC being even more isolated in the EU than it already is (imho).
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Postby Main_Source » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:03 am

Of course it would work both ways - for terrorist crimes. The reality is that despite what you or RoC may think the rest of the EU does not consider buying property in the north a crime, let alone a terrorist crime.



Forcing someone out of their home through violance is not a form of terrorism?
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Postby erolz » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:18 am

Main_Source wrote:
Of course it would work both ways - for terrorist crimes. The reality is that despite what you or RoC may think the rest of the EU does not consider buying property in the north a crime, let alone a terrorist crime.



Forcing someone out of their home through violance is not a form of terrorism?


Once again Mr Source you grab the wrong end of the wrong stick.

Magik was talking about people buying property in the north being prosecuted (outside the RoC) in the EU. The people who buy property in the north did not force anyone from their homes.

Is it your view then that buying a property in the north is comparable to forcing someone from their home or to planting bombs on commuter trains in rush hour to cause maximum loss of life? That normal everyday people who chose to buy property in the north are the same as those people who planted the bombs in London, and should be persued in the same way and with the same vigour and means?
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Postby magikthrill » Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:36 pm

erolz wrote:That normal everyday people who chose to buy property in the north are the same as those people who planted the bombs in London, and should be persued in the same way and with the same vigour and means?


A crime is a crime. If it is a crime in the RoC and the Uk wishes to establish ties between all courts then it should be a crime in the UK as well.

I don't care how you compare it to what. All i know is that there are more missing Cypriots then there were London victimes.
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Postby erolz » Thu Jul 14, 2005 4:07 pm

magikthrill wrote:
A crime is a crime. If it is a crime in the RoC and the Uk wishes to establish ties between all courts then it should be a crime in the UK as well.


What rubbish. Even within the EU crimes differ from state to state (take pot smoking in amsterdam as one example. Illegal in UK - legal (not criminal) in the dam. So by your reconning their could be no cooperation between Holland and UK on stopping terroism, unless they also 'equalised' their laws on drugs?

magikthrill wrote:
I don't care how you compare it to what. All i know is that there are more missing Cypriots then there were London victimes.


Clearly you do not care about the patent difference. All you (apparently) care about is getting back your propertry back. Even terrorism of he sort experinced in London and Madrid is not a reason to seek to stop such acts in the future unless you get somnething from it re the cyprus problem. Exactly the sort of approach that wil make the RoC pariahs in the EU.
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Postby magikthrill » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:09 pm

erolz wrote:Exactly the sort of approach that wil make the RoC pariahs in the EU.


yes erol. the EU will boot the RoC and instead recognize and bring in the TRNC.

and i wasnt talking about weed. i was talking about intenrational law which supposedly the UK adheres to. if they choose to turn their back on it thus far thats fine but if they wish to have court cooperations then why should they be able to conitnue to do this/
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Postby Murtaza » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:18 pm

magikthrill wrote:
erolz wrote:Exactly the sort of approach that wil make the RoC pariahs in the EU.


yes erol. the EU will boot the RoC and instead recognize and bring in the TRNC.

and i wasnt talking about weed. i was talking about intenrational law which supposedly the UK adheres to. if they choose to turn their back on it thus far thats fine but if they wish to have court cooperations then why should they be able to conitnue to do this/


Because UK is more powerful than you. She can force you to help her, but you cannot force her.
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