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[bg_turk]

Hello everybody,

I have been following this forum with great interest, and since you mentioned bulgarian turks I though I must reply to you.

I believe the analogy between TC and TB (turkish bulgarians) is deeply flawed for several reasons:

- there was almost no hostility between turks and bulgarians after the formation of the bulgarian state. The policy of the bulgarian state was that of assimilation, rather than annihilation. So turks in bulgaria are willing to live in that country, unlike turkish cypriots in the GC administrated state.

- the most significant confrontation happened during communism, when our names were changed into Bulgarian and all religious institutions were banned (which was pretty much was the case for christians too, since communist had a contempt for religion). Many turks chose to immigrate to Turkey, and some to TRNC as a matter of a fact, but now all of them have been given Bulgarian citizenship and they can return if they so wish. Additionally the Bulgarian President has officially apologized for the actions of the communists. I wonder if Papadopolous will ever do that.

-at the moment the ruling coalition consists of the ex-communist party and a predominantly turkish party (imagine Cyprus being controlled by a goverment of Papadopolous and Denktash ), and despite only being 10% turks control 30% of the governemnt institutions at the moment.

And I want to emphasize that I do not view myself as a minority, I view myself as a Bulgarian citizen, because Bulgarians have always been inclusive, and have made me feel as beeing in my own country. I would fight for and die for Bulgaria. Why don't turkish cypriots feel the same way? I think the answer is obvious, it has to do with the attitude of GCs.

[DigenisAkritas]

Tell me, what's wrong with banning Islam? What has Islam ever given anybody? Islam was spread by the Sword and the Dhimmitude Status of Non-Muslims effectively forced them to become Muslims to shed their second class citizen status. Albanians are a prime example of this, they submitted to Islam and the Serbs didn't, the Serbs stood tall and held onto their culture, and they paid dearly for it.

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[bg_turk]

Tell me, what's wrong with banning Islam? What has Islam ever given anybody?

I sincerely believe God does not look kindly upon those who choose to desecrate other people's believes.

The Islamic world has given us astronomy, algebra and many other science, Baghdad was the scientific center of the world, at a time when the inquisition in Europe was busy killing innocent people.

[DigenisAkritas]

Tell me, what's wrong with banning Islam? What has Islam ever given anybody?

I sincerely believe God does not look kindly upon those who choose to desecrate other people's believes.

The Islamic world has given us astronomy, algebra and many other science, Baghdad was the scientific center of the world, at a time when the inquisition in Europe was busy killing innocent people.

Sure.... So saying that the success those scientists who didn't consider themselves Islamic, e.g. The Persian Scientist Abu Ali Sina, is down to Islam is like saying the success of Gallileo is attributable to the Catholic Church, it's preposterous.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

RoC is a country. You are not a country, you are the 18% minority of a country. Just like UK is in the EU, and UK has its own minorities, just like France is in EU and it has its own minorities etc etc.

Did the blacks in the UK have a constitution agreement of a partnership like we do/did with you???? So we also have rights that other numerical minorites do not have in other countries???

[bg_turk]

I presume you would have no problem banning christianity and the church as well then, after all what have they given humanity?

[DigenisAkritas]

I presume you would have no problem banning christianity and the church as well then, after all what have they given humanity?

I don't have to ban Islam, more Muslims have left Islam in the past 5 years than in all of History put together. The only reason for the huge explosion in the numbers of Muslims is because of the high Birth Rate, I'd give Islam another couple of Centuries:

Qur’an 9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”
Qur’an 9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”
Qur’an 9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
Ishaq:325 “Muslims, fight in Allah’s Cause. Stand firm and you will prosper. Help the Prophet, obey him, give him your allegiance, and your religion will be victorious.”
Qur’an 8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”
Qur’an 8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”
Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”
Qur’an 9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”
Ishaq:300 “I am fighting in Allah’s service. This is piety and a good deed. In Allah’s war I do not fear as others should. For this fighting is righteous, true, and good.”
Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”
Qur’an 8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”
Ishaq:326 “Prophet exhort the believers to fight. If there are twenty good fighters they will defeat two hundred for they are a senseless people. They do not fight with good intentions nor for truth.”
Bukhari:V4B52N63 “A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, ‘Allah’s Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?’ The Prophet said, ‘Embrace Islam first and then fight.’ So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah’s Apostle said, ‘A Little work, but a great reward.’”
Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.’”
Muslim:C34B20N4668 “The Messenger said: ‘Anybody who equips a warrior going to fight in the Way of Allah is like one who actually fights. And anybody who looks after his family in his absence is also like one who actually fights.”

Religion of Peace eh?

[DigenisAkritas]

Piratis

RoC is a country. You are not a country, you are the 18% minority of a country. Just like UK is in the EU, and UK has its own minorities, just like France is in EU and it has its own minorities etc etc.

Did the blacks in the UK have a constitution agreement of a partnership like we do/did with you???? So we also have rights that other numerical minorites do not have in other countries???

No, you have the basic rights as detailed in the ECHR and nothing more, nothing less, just as the GC's have the same rights, in regards to voting rights - Your vote does not count for more than a GC's does. Thats undemocratic.

[erolz]

We are not a minority.

Erol,

You sound colmpletely ridiculous.

The bottom line is you ARE a minority in Cyprus and always were. Arguing to the contrary IS ridiculous.

Why can't you accept that you ARE a minority in Cyprus?

What is ridiculous is to insist that being a numerical minority means you can only be and must only be a political minority. If this were true it would be true in all cases. What you mean is that it is ridiculous when it is percieved by GC to disadvantage GC and totaly sensible when it advantages them.

[bg_turk]

To my knowledge it was your peaceful church that encouraged and directed you to killing muslim cypriots. Now, what it says in the koran or the bible is irrelevent, since actions speak louder.

I personally believe all religions are bad and can be used to manipulate people, so if you agree to ban all of them, I would gladly agree. Let's all be atheists.