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[erolz]

And where are the two simple sincere admissions from your side Erol that are the most important for achieving a settlement.Bananiot was very clear that he will speak for his own side and he cannot speak for the other side, but he was also clear that there are responsibilities from your side too.

They are in many of my historic posts but if you want me to express them again I am happy to do so.

I admit that TC have much of the blame, second only to GC in my opinion.

I admit that we did not and do not have a right to seperate and divde Cyprus by force and against the will of GC.

I admit that some elements of the TC community sought division of Cyprus before 74

I admit the we too had (and have) our 'nationalisitic' (to Turkey) extremist thugs willing to use violence in persuit of their goals and as a community we did not do enough to stop these elements

I admit that we currently have control of more land and more property than is our right and this has been at the expesnse of GC

I admit that we should not have total eqaulity on all issues as the numericaly smaller community.

I admit that the 60's agreements were too much in favour of the TC community in Cyprus at the expense of GC.

I admit that in the period between 74 and today we have concentrated to much on legitmising the events of 74 and not enough on resolving our differences and working towards a united Cyprus.

That's off the top of my head (and all these things I have admitted before now). If there are others you can think of them suggest them and I will say if I accept them or not.

So what you said thereafter for me worths nothing!

Thats your choice but there is nothing I have said above that I had not already said before now.

[insan]

And it were the Generals who agreed on that not the Colonels of the Junta.

Generals of which army. Haven't youy still understood what wrongs the Hellenic ruling elite did, what lies and stories they told you in order to erase, conceal their guıilt and keep themselves in power? Could they have told you the truths? No. Telling you the truths about the things they did wrong; would be the end of their political life and social status.

[Viewpoint]

MicAtCyp

Last night I watched a documentary, in which Sampson was asked the same question, i. e if the coup succedded whether his next step would be to anihilate the TCs. He objected fiercefully.
He said than in his first public proclamation he even addressed the TCs saying:
This is a problem between the Greeks, not between the Greeks and the Turks. The bicommunal talks will continue on an intensive basis until we find a peaceful solution.
Well I can verify the above statement was in fact true.

So now Sampson loved TCs get real, and I am glad you verified what he said makes me feel much better....

This is the man that walked through Kaymakli with a Turkish flag on his back to bring out the TCs, I think he wanted to kiss them all one by one...Well I can verify this was a fact....

[gabaston]

MaC

1967, one example we left nicosia for larnaca we pass through tc patrol and head on into the couhtry ten minutes later we are in a queue. We are told not to get out of the car. I see other cars passing through and ask my uncle why can they go straight through and we have to wait. He says coz they're greek. After an hour we reach the front, where greek police or guard with machine guns search then car. My mother is taken away by a gc police woman wearing gloves into a small kiosk, presumably to be searched.

MaC, please i dont lie about these things. if you think tcs need to lie, then it strengthens my belief that most decent gc's did not know the half of what we endured. No decent people would have tollerated such.

[Yiannis]

1967, one example we left nicosia for larnaca we pass through tc patrol and head on into the couhtry ten minutes later we are in a queue. We are told not to get out of the car. I see other cars passing through and ask my uncle why can they go straight through and we have to wait. He says coz they're greek. After an hour we reach the front, where greek police or guard with machine guns search then car. My mother is taken away by a gc police woman wearing gloves into a small kiosk, presumably to be searched.

Sorry to pop into the conversation but isnt this the same thing with what is happening now with muslims in the US, and UK i guess after the latest bombings, where all arabs are seen uppon and are the most likely to be searched rather than Chinese for example?

[gabaston]

what they got road blocks on the M25 where all muslims have to pull over and wait in car for hours?..... no mate it doesnt work like that.

its like i said you haven't got a clue about it, you dont know it happened, do you?

[Yiannis]

what they got road blocks on the M25 where all muslims have to pull over and wait in car for hours?..... no mate it doesnt work like that.

Offcourse it does. After the last attacks in London the New York police dedided to hold random checks on people trying to catch a metro train. Therefore that would mean that those that are arab looking will have to held back and might loose their train while the chinese looking for example will just pass freely.

its like i said you haven't got a clue about it, you dont know it happened, do you?

No i had no clue about it but neither do i had to know about it.Its the right of the police to check the citizens of a country whenever there is a danger.In this case right or wrong it was TC who were trying to undermine RoC and put in danger other citizens of the RoC.

[insan]

In this case right or wrong it was TC who were trying to undermine RoC and put in danger other citizens of the RoC.

Ooopss! When did GCs embrace RoC? Weren't they GCs who didn't like the 60s agrements, treaties and undermining the RoC in order to make Cyprus a Hellene dominated Island and then annex it with Greece?

[gabaston]

nope trust me i have not been stopped....ok i have not been stopped.

driving walking tube, train, bus, macdonalds, i have not been stopped.

[gabaston]

your govt thought it prudent for you not to know, it would have either turned you against them, or left in you in an embarrasing possition if you knew and consented by supporting them. There were injustices in your country. did you not have the right to know?