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[Paphitis]

Papadopoulos married the wife of Yiorgatzis and this is a fact even GR and DT cannot deny. Rumours were ripe back then that Photini was his mistress long before Yiorgadjis was assassinated.

Photini was a beautiful young woman and on top she was very wealthy and well educated. I met her once when I was about 11. I was playing with some kids of my age by the side of the main (old) Famagusta- Nicosia road when an armoured vehicle of the National Guard broke down just where we were playing. These were the tanks we brought from the Soviet Union to face the "Turkish mutiny" and a possible Turkish invasion. The crew were all Greek and the way they spoke was very amusing for us kids since we hadn't heard spoken Greek Greek before. The soldiers tried hard to get the vehicle started but to no avail. Suddenly a car pulled over and out stepped Yiorgadjis with his beautiful wife. She was dazzling. What's up boys, he asked the soldiers, who duly explained to him the problem. Yiorgadjis said to them that he would drive to Lefkoniko, that is the nearest village with telephone services, to ask for help. In those days many people believed that Yiorgadzis was basically illiterate and that Papadopoulos (his koumbaros) wrote speeches for him.

Yiorgadzis turned against Greek dictator Colonel Papadopoulos when the latter tried to work out an understanding with Turkey that would put an end to enosis and push the cyprob to solution. He thus helped Greek army deserter Alexandros Panayoulas, instead of arresting him, when he was tipped that Panayoulas was in Cyprus. He took him under his wings and trained him on explosives. Panayoulas returned to Greece secretly and put a road bomb destined for Papadopoulos. He stupidly could not see the approaching car carrying the dictator when he detonated the bomb. Papadopoulos escaped and Panayoulas was rounded up. During interrogation he spat everything and Yiorgadzis's involvement was revealed. The other dictator Demetris Ioannides, the army strong man, whom Yiorgadzis (and Koutsou and other bash patriots) favoured for his tough stance on Turkey and pro enosis jargon, was waiting in the wings to take over. He did so after the November 1973 events at Athens Polytechnic and he ousted Papadopoulos. However, Papadopoulos took his revenge on Yiorgadzis in 1970 when he deployed his henchmen in Cyprus to assassinate him.

Papadopoulos had asked Makarios to sack Yiorgadzis after the failed attempt on his life. Makarios had no option but to do so. Yiorgadzis couldn't believe his ears when Makarios told him that he was no more the Interior Minister. Yiorgadzis went berserk and suddenly became a lethal enemy of Makarios who he supported with all his strength until then. On three occasions Yiorgadzis planned assassination attempts on Makarios who on at least one occasion survived by sheer luck. When Makarios sacked Yiorgadzis, he thought of giving the ministry to Hadjicostis (Dias) but he changed his mind at the last minute. Until today, Hadjicostis holds this against him and he was the man that printed in his paper (Simerini) in 1974, that the coup against Makarios was a necessity.

These are some of the politicians that ruled the plantation from 1960 onwards and conformists all around us cannot summon enough courage to spit them in the face for what they have done to this island. Instead they blame the "bloody foreigners" who fall asleep and wake and only scheme on how to destroy us.

Thanks Bananiot.

All of the above seems accurate according to my own readings on the subject. I have no reason to disbelieve you.

But there is no mention yet that Yorgadjis was a ruthless TC killer. He started off as one of Grivas' trusted henchmen, then became one of Makarios' long serving Ministers, was Koumbaros to Tassos Papadoulos, collaborated with anti Junta forces in Athens, then was removed from cabinet by Makarios at the Junta's request. He then made 3 attempts to assassinate Makarios and in 1970,he was assassinated. These are the verifiable facts as far as I know.

An interesting rumour is that it was actually his Koumbaros that assassinated him. His Koumbaros then married Yorgadjis wife and also raised his 2 children.

Another fact is that Yorgadjis and Clerides established the DISY Party, a Party which you support, and a politician you claim to be the best politician in Cypriot history.

A very notorious figure he was.

[Paphitis]

Bananiot,
The TC belief was that Yorgadjis was the most fanatical EOKA member,and later on ,as minister for Interiror,he was the operational head of the EOKA remnants...He was thus despised and feared...Do you believe this was the case???

The above are just TC myths and exaggerations. Yorgadjis yielded much power and influence within the Makarios cabinet, but was never more influential over former EOKA members than Grivas and Makarios themselves. There were no EOKA remnants. The organisation did not exist. There were many former EOKA fighters who were rewarded with positions of High Office or became senior public servants.

There was only the CNG and Cyprus Police, who were under the command of Makarios, followed by Yorgadjis and Grivas. TMT strongholds at Kophinou and Kokkina were attacked by the CNG, for blocking the Nicosia to Limassol highway at Kophinou and for Turkish arms smuggling in Kokkina. Even after weeks of CNG and police patrols being attacked, Makarios hesitated and did not want to attack the TMT. Eventually CNG personnel were killed from TMT ambush along the highway, and so Makarios was left with no other choice. The strongholds were reluctantly attacked, and this is what the TMT wanted.

Yes BIR, TMT kept ambushing ROC CNG and police, some were killed, and then the ROC attacked back.

[Bananiot]

There is no evidence to suggest that Papadopoulos was involved in the assasination of Yiorgadjis. DISI was formed 4 years after Yiorgadjis's death and probably you meant "Ethniko Metopo" which was made up of Griva supporters who missed out on the loot after 1960. Finally, I have no connection with DISI. I started life as an AKEL member and later on we formed ADISOK (meant to be a social democratic party). Since the dissolution of ADISOK I am party homeless.

It is true that Yiorgadjis and Papadopoulos were feared by the average TC. They were both sick Turk haters who would have no problem to get rid of all TC's if they had the means to do so.

[Paphitis]

There is no evidence to suggest that Papadopoulos was involved in the assasination of Yiorgadjis. DISI was formed 4 years after Yiorgadjis's death and probably you meant "Ethniko Metopo" which was made up of Griva supporters who missed out on the loot after 1960. Finally, I have no connection with DISI. I started life as an AKEL member and later on we formed ADISOK (meant to be a social democratic party). Since the dissolution of ADISOK I am party homeless.

It is true that Yiorgadjis and Papadopoulos were feared by the average TC. They were both sick Turk haters who would have no problem to get rid of all TC's if they had the means to do so.

I stand corrected about DISY. Now, you say that Yorgadjis formed Ethiko Metopo. Was Clerides also involved? Perhaps Ethniko Metopo, comprising many Grivas sympathisers, was the Party that osmosed into Clerides' DISY.

The fact that Yorgadjis and co were feared by the TCs is expected. He did run the CNG and established a vast network within the CNG and police. He nearly conducted a coup in 1970 to oust Makarios through his vast networks.

But the facts still remain. Whether Yorgadjis or Tassos hated the TCs or not,
is of no consequence. Yorgadjis' CNG attacked TMT strongholds only after many weeks of TMT ambush attacks against the CNG. They were attacked despite massive reluctance to do so and procrastination from Makarios which ended up costing lives. The TMT provoked those attacks and the reasons are well known. Partition!

Yorgadjis was not a TC eating killing machine.

[YFred]

There is no evidence to suggest that Papadopoulos was involved in the assasination of Yiorgadjis. DISI was formed 4 years after Yiorgadjis's death and probably you meant "Ethniko Metopo" which was made up of Griva supporters who missed out on the loot after 1960. Finally, I have no connection with DISI. I started life as an AKEL member and later on we formed ADISOK (meant to be a social democratic party). Since the dissolution of ADISOK I am party homeless.

It is true that Yiorgadjis and Papadopoulos were feared by the average TC. They were both sick Turk haters who would have no problem to get rid of all TC's if they had the means to do so.

I stand corrected about DISY. Now, you say that Yorgadjis formed Ethiko Metopo. Was Clerides also involved? Perhaps Ethniko Metopo, comprising many Grivas sympathisers, was the Party that osmosed into Clerides' DISY.

The fact that Yorgadjis and co were feared by the TCs is expected. He did run the CNG and established a vast network within the CNG and police. He nearly conducted a coup in 1970 to oust Makarios through his vast networks.

But the facts still remain. Whether Yorgadjis or Tassos hated the TCs or not,
is of no consequence. Yorgadjis' CNG attacked TMT strongholds only after many weeks of TMT ambush attacks against the CNG. They were attacked despite massive reluctance to do so and procrastination from Makarios which ended up costing lives. The TMT provoked those attacks and the reasons are well known. Partition!

Yorgadjis was not a TC eating killing machine.

Reh Bafidi, you are out of your depth here. If there were no eoka after 1960 till 1971, then who killed all the innocent TCs? were all the TCs killed from 1963 to 1974 TMT?

[Oracle]

A potentially interesting thread ruined by the deletions which questioned the validity of these partisan sources.

A thread now reserved as a soapbox for Bananiot and some TCs.

What a shame for freedom of speech ....

[DT.]

There is no evidence to suggest that Papadopoulos was involved in the assasination of Yiorgadjis. DISI was formed 4 years after Yiorgadjis's death and probably you meant "Ethniko Metopo" which was made up of Griva supporters who missed out on the loot after 1960. Finally, I have no connection with DISI. I started life as an AKEL member and later on we formed ADISOK (meant to be a social democratic party). Since the dissolution of ADISOK I am party homeless.

It is true that Yiorgadjis and Papadopoulos were feared by the average TC. They were both sick Turk haters who would have no problem to get rid of all TC's if they had the means to do so.

What ever happened to ADISOK Bananiot? Why was it dissolved?

[Get Real!]

I’m starting to enjoy sitting back and watching Paphitis stew in his juice…

It goes to show that one should learn to keep his mouth shut unless armed with knowledge to confront the likely (pretty standard) attacks. With Paphitis though, it seems to be a recurring theme with almost every topic he dives in!

[halil]

There is no evidence to suggest that Papadopoulos was involved in the assasination of Yiorgadjis. DISI was formed 4 years after Yiorgadjis's death and probably you meant "Ethniko Metopo" which was made up of Griva supporters who missed out on the loot after 1960. Finally, I have no connection with DISI. I started life as an AKEL member and later on we formed ADISOK (meant to be a social democratic party). Since the dissolution of ADISOK I am party homeless.

It is true that Yiorgadjis and Papadopoulos were feared by the average TC. They were both sick Turk haters who would have no problem to get rid of all TC's if they had the means to do so.

What ever happened to ADISOK Bananiot? Why was it dissolved?

JOINT STATEMENT:

1. On November 30th 1990, delegations of ADISOK and YKP met at the New Cyprus Party (NCP-YKP) office at Nicosia.

2. The meeting took place in an atmosphere of mutual understanding and convergence of views as regards to the basic principles of the Cyprus problem and the means of promotion of the solution of the problem.

3. The two partiest believe that the Cyprus problem should be solved within the frame-work of a bizonal, bicommunal federation which will ensure the independence, sovereignty , territorial integrity and the unity of Cyprus as well as guarantee conditions of security for all inhabitants of the island and for the Cyprus Republic as a whole.

4. A prerequisite for the solution of the Cyprus problem is the ending of all foreign interventions, the withdrawal of foreign troops and the complete demilitarization of Cyprus.

5. The two parties condemn any attemp to change the demographic character of Cyprus.

6. Within the framework of a solution, the right of refugees to return to their homes should be recognized and the implementation of this right to be realised bearing in mind the bizonal and bicommunal character of the Federal Cyprus State.

7. The question of the missing persons should be faced as a humanitarian one, and the fate of the missing persons both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots during the whole period of intercommunal strife should be assertained.

8. The two parties agreed that the people of both communities should become conscious that the peaceful solution of the Cyprus problem is of utmost importance.

The past experiences of acts of violence and terrorism which have poisoned the relations between the two communities should not be allowed to be repeated.

9. A necessary factor for achieving a just and viable solution of the Cyprus problem is the creation of the conditions of trust, mutual respect, friendship and cooperation between the two communities. The suspicions and the feelings of insecurity cannot be eradicated with the continuation of the division and the absence of contacts and communications between the two communities. Therefore the two parties demand elimination of any obstacles in the way of communication between the two communities.

10. The two parties decided to set up a joint commitee in order to exchange views and ideas, on the Cyprus question, and to contribute to the promotion of a just and viable solution.

11. In order to promote mutual understanding between the two communities it has been agreed by the two parties, to organise joint activities and joint programs for the eradication of chauvenism from education and protection of the cultural heritage of the island.

Pavlos Dinglis(ADISOK)
Alpay Durduran(YKP)

[Paphitis]

A potentially interesting thread ruined by the deletions which questioned the validity of these partisan sources.

A thread now reserved as a soapbox for Bananiot and some TCs.

What a shame for freedom of speech ....

I think you will find that Bananiot was the first member to offer anything that was useful. DT was the next member, and then Get Real! jumped on an all out hysterical campaign to trash this thread.

I have the right to start any thread I like, and Bananiot offered some very clear and concise factual information, on this occasion! Freedom of Speech is important for all of us, not just Get Real!

Do you have any information of your own? I would like to hear your views, since you grew up in this era.

Droushiotis is not a source I would give much credence too, but most information given in Bananiot's posts have proven to be quite factual and accurate apart from some emotive passages where he describes Tassos Papadopoulos, and Yorgadjis as 'Turk Haters'.

This thread is about disproving the TC myth that Yorgadjis was a menacing TC eating killer. I believe the objective has been fulfilled since Bananiot and Bir haven't offered any credible evidence to prove otherwise.