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The New Islamic Republic of Turkey

Postby Hermes » Mon Nov 08, 2010 5:24 am

From The Washington Times...

Ankara's NATO role questioned

Turkey's growing ties to Iran and opposition to NATO missile defenses targeting Tehran are raising "many doubts about Turkey's future" among officials in the alliance, Greece's No. 2 defense official says.

"I'm a bit pessimistic about the Turkish future," Greek Deputy Defense Minister Panagiotis A. Beglitis said in an interview with The Washington Times. Mr. Beglitis was in Washington on Thursday for meetings with Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen and other Pentagon officials.

Mr. Beglitis said Turkey's government recently "objected to mentioning Iran as a potential threat in a NATO text concerning" missile- defense doctrine.

"Also, they objected very, very recently to [the Security Council] of the United Nations concerning sanctions against Iran. They voted against sanctions. That's the reality. We have to pay attention to that," he said.

Mr. Beglitis said he does not know what the future holds for Turkey's place within NATO, but he said Greece "share the same concerns with many, many colleagues within the alliance."

Greek Deputy Defense Minister Panagiotis A. Beglitis says he is concerned about the Turkish government's growing ties with Iran. In an interview Thursday, he said it may have an impact on the NATO alliance. (Associated Press)Greek Deputy Defense Minister Panagiotis A. Beglitis says he is concerned about the Turkish government's growing ties with Iran. In an interview Thursday, he said it may have an impact on the NATO alliance. (Associated Press)

"I can tell you I would not be surprised to see a Turkey outside of the Western institutions and playing an autonomous strategic role in the whole region."
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Inside Turkey, Mr. Erdogan's Islamist-rooted Justice and Development Party (AKP), which came to power in 2002, has earned support from Turks for its handling of the country's growing economy. The AKP government's gradual weakening of the country's secular foundations, however — as well as its growing relations with Iran and Syria — are raising concerns in the West.

"The signs so far are alarming," said Middle East scholar Bernard Lewis, in a speech Thursday before the Association for the Study of the Middle East and Africa. "It looks as though the present rulers of Turkey have decided to reverse the processes which began with the creation of the Turkish republic and to turn in another direction."

Mr. Lewis said he could envision "a not-impossible situation in which Turkey and Iran may change places, in which Turkey becomes the Islamic republic and Iran becomes the Western democracy..."


Full article here:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... an/?page=1
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Re: The New Islamic Republic of Turkey

Postby Kikapu » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:18 am

What are the chances of the West dismantling NATO completely and instead forming a new EU-NATO Force of the 27 EU members, plus the new ones in the future, and the USA as an "honorary member", which would then leave Turkey out of the alliance until if and when she can make it into the EU.? The message to Turkey then would be, "either you are with us or against us".!!!!
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Re: The New Islamic Republic of Turkey

Postby observer » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:24 am

Kikapu wrote:What are the chances of the West dismantling NATO completely and instead forming a new EU-NATO Force of the 27 EU members, plus the new ones in the future, and the USA as an "honorary member", which would then leave Turkey out of the alliance until if and when she can make it into the EU.? The message to Turkey then would be, "either you are with us or against us".!!!!


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Reject Turkey in order to get the mighty armed forces of RoC and Malta!
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Re: The New Islamic Republic of Turkey

Postby Kikapu » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:29 am

observer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:What are the chances of the West dismantling NATO completely and instead forming a new EU-NATO Force of the 27 EU members, plus the new ones in the future, and the USA as an "honorary member", which would then leave Turkey out of the alliance until if and when she can make it into the EU.? The message to Turkey then would be, "either you are with us or against us".!!!!


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Reject Turkey in order to get the mighty armed forces of RoC and Malta!


It's not about Cyprus and Malta being in NATO but more to do with whether NATO wants to keep Turkey in the alliance if they would be viewed as they being "in bed" with Iran and other radicals in the Muslim world!
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Postby shahmaran » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:30 am

Every time America does not get her way with Turkey, we see these bullshit articles about "oh is Turkey turning its back on the West and becoming Islamic".

Well Uncle Sam, why do you always support radical islamic governments in the first place, have you not learned anything?

Oh I forget the US lives on war profit. :roll:
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Re: The New Islamic Republic of Turkey

Postby shahmaran » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:31 am

Kikapu wrote:
observer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:What are the chances of the West dismantling NATO completely and instead forming a new EU-NATO Force of the 27 EU members, plus the new ones in the future, and the USA as an "honorary member", which would then leave Turkey out of the alliance until if and when she can make it into the EU.? The message to Turkey then would be, "either you are with us or against us".!!!!


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Reject Turkey in order to get the mighty armed forces of RoC and Malta!


It's not about Cyprus and Malta being in NATO but more to do with whether NATO wants to keep Turkey in the alliance if they would be viewed as they being "in bed" with Iran and other radicals in the Muslim world!


Kikapu, how can the US even claim such a partnership when they are deeply close with the most radical and dangerous muslims in the world, yes the rich ones, the god dam Saudis?
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Re: The New Islamic Republic of Turkey

Postby Kikapu » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:42 am

shahmaran wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
observer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:What are the chances of the West dismantling NATO completely and instead forming a new EU-NATO Force of the 27 EU members, plus the new ones in the future, and the USA as an "honorary member", which would then leave Turkey out of the alliance until if and when she can make it into the EU.? The message to Turkey then would be, "either you are with us or against us".!!!!


Zero.

Reject Turkey in order to get the mighty armed forces of RoC and Malta!


It's not about Cyprus and Malta being in NATO but more to do with whether NATO wants to keep Turkey in the alliance if they would be viewed as they being "in bed" with Iran and other radicals in the Muslim world!


Kikapu, how can the US even claim such a partnership when they are deeply close with the most radical and dangerous muslims in the world, yes the rich ones, the god dam Saudis?


There are always exception to the rule, Shah, and I do agree with you, that the USA has never been even handed with her foreign policy.! Often money talks and BS walks with the USA.!
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Re: The New Islamic Republic of Turkey

Postby observer » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:01 pm

Kikapu wrote:
observer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:What are the chances of the West dismantling NATO completely and instead forming a new EU-NATO Force of the 27 EU members, plus the new ones in the future, and the USA as an "honorary member", which would then leave Turkey out of the alliance until if and when she can make it into the EU.? The message to Turkey then would be, "either you are with us or against us".!!!!


Zero.

Reject Turkey in order to get the mighty armed forces of RoC and Malta!


It's not about Cyprus and Malta being in NATO but more to do with whether NATO wants to keep Turkey in the alliance if they would be viewed as they being "in bed" with Iran and other radicals in the Muslim world!


1. NATO is a military alliance. The stronger it is, the better it is for USA.

2. With USA involved in Afghanistan and Iraq, USA should welcome being seen as 'in bed' with Muslim radicals to lessen their problems.
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Re: The New Islamic Republic of Turkey

Postby Kikapu » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:08 pm

observer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
observer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:What are the chances of the West dismantling NATO completely and instead forming a new EU-NATO Force of the 27 EU members, plus the new ones in the future, and the USA as an "honorary member", which would then leave Turkey out of the alliance until if and when she can make it into the EU.? The message to Turkey then would be, "either you are with us or against us".!!!!


Zero.

Reject Turkey in order to get the mighty armed forces of RoC and Malta!


It's not about Cyprus and Malta being in NATO but more to do with whether NATO wants to keep Turkey in the alliance if they would be viewed as they being "in bed" with Iran and other radicals in the Muslim world!


1. NATO is a military alliance. The stronger it is, the better it is for USA.

2. With USA involved in Afghanistan and Iraq, USA should welcome being seen as 'in bed' with Muslim radicals to lessen their problems.


NATO alliance can ONLY be strong as it's weakest link. If Turkey is seen as not a reliable and trustworthy NATO member, what would be the purpose in keeping her in the alliance.??
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Re: The New Islamic Republic of Turkey

Postby observer » Mon Nov 08, 2010 12:33 pm

Kikapu wrote:
observer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
observer wrote:
Kikapu wrote:What are the chances of the West dismantling NATO completely and instead forming a new EU-NATO Force of the 27 EU members, plus the new ones in the future, and the USA as an "honorary member", which would then leave Turkey out of the alliance until if and when she can make it into the EU.? The message to Turkey then would be, "either you are with us or against us".!!!!


Zero.

Reject Turkey in order to get the mighty armed forces of RoC and Malta!


It's not about Cyprus and Malta being in NATO but more to do with whether NATO wants to keep Turkey in the alliance if they would be viewed as they being "in bed" with Iran and other radicals in the Muslim world!


1. NATO is a military alliance. The stronger it is, the better it is for USA.

2. With USA involved in Afghanistan and Iraq, USA should welcome being seen as 'in bed' with Muslim radicals to lessen their problems.


NATO alliance can ONLY be strong as it's weakest link. If Turkey is seen as not a reliable and trustworthy NATO member, what would be the purpose in keeping her in the alliance.??


1,740 Turks serving with ISAF/NATO for a start. I don't see any Cypriots or Maltese.
And surely Luxembourg is the weakest link in NATO. :lol:
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