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[erolz3]

But most of the members of the Cyprus44 forum post tons of anti-GC and anti-RoC crap which are untrue. Why target one of the very few people who post a pro-GC view on that forum when there are so many others who post untrue nonsense against GCs constantly?

My issue is not that he post pro-GC views. My problem is that he posts things he knows to not be true. One recent example being him posting 'the ECHR protects the rights of TRNC citizens in the TRNC but does not protect the rights of non citizens'. He KNOWS this is not true, yet he posted it anyway. If you read the thread where he does this you can see why he does so. he does so to support another claim about the TRNC that he makes that is not true. Namely that the TRNC constitution is racist. I believe that he posted that knowing that it is not true, but cant be as certain as the other example given. Anyway when challenged about it being racist, his first 'proof' is that it gives different rights to TRNC citizens than it gives to non citizens. A spurious proof in that every consitution in the world does that. So then he makes the claim that because non citizens in the TRNC are not allowed to protest and citizens are the consitution is racist. The problem is this restriction is not defined in the consitition but in TRNC laws. So then he claims 'ECHR protects citizens in TRNC but not none citizens'. When challenged about the truth of that he simply refuses to answer and starts on personal insinutations and accusations as a diversion. Now, if you dont know the link between the ID he posts there under currently and all the others he has and uses there in the past and other places today, you would think 'ok he is just mistaken'. However when you DO know the link between this alias and the others there can be no doubt tht he posted that KNOWING it was simply not true when he posted it. Let me just say if he had posted that laws within the TRNC are discriminatory against non citizens and not inline with EU morms in many areas, he would not have heard a peep out of me, because that is true.

And remeber I have watched 8 years of this kind of behaviour from him accross at least 5 different 'fora' of one form or another and many aliases.

What is more let me give you one more example of how he operates. Over the 8 years he has many times tried to label me as racist (amongst many other accusations that he neve offers evidence for) and makes a big deal of shooting others down for racist posts. However when one of the minority of other posters that generally 'supports' him , the kind that things its clever and funny to be as un PC as possible like a little school kid saying the word 'bum', posts one of the most racist anti Cypriot 'claims' I have ever seen, namely that in essence the reason why Cypriots have a higher incidence of thalissima than other comparable groups is because they have higher rates of child sexual abuse than other comparable groups. So how does 'zoots' respond to such a post. He says 'yeah I know what you mean'. When I subsequetly challeng the poster does he offer any opinion on the inherent racism in that (untrue) claim ? Does he fook. Dispicable behaviour imo but again one can only truely see how dispicable when one can connect his posts accross other aliases.

If you want the links to these threads so you check the truth of the claims I make here just ask.

Now it is true that he has been banned many times on cyprus44 under previous forum names and it is also true that he attracts post from alot of people who want him banned again. It is also true that by deciding to expose the connection between these links on cyprus44 he attracted a lot of posts from others and calls that he once more be banned there. However I stand by my claim that what I did was not about a desire to see him banned to silence valid critism of the TRNC of post GC viewpoints but a desire to expose and limit to a degree the full extent of his behaviour and validly so given that behaviour and how extensive it is in places, aliases use and over 8 years and how it can only be properly seen once you can make those conections.

I stand unashmed by my actions there and bringing it here, which I might add is a RESPONSE to him first bringing it here. I did not come here and propactive do here what I had done there. He folowed me here and tried to use what I had done to undermine my character in the eyse of others. All of this has been in response to that.

[Sotos]

the ECHR protects the rights of TRNC citizens in the TRNC but does not protect the rights of non citizens

The ECHR doesn't recognize the "trnc" so for the ECHR there is no such thing as "trnc citizens".

he does so to support another claim about the TRNC that he makes that is not true. Namely that the TRNC constitution is racist.

You forget that "trnc" was declared by first ethnically cleansing GCs just because of their race? Not just the "constitution" but everything related with this anomaly is racist!!!

[Pyrpolizer]

I don't understand why you should expose his ID If he lives in occupied Cyprus and if he criticizes the actions of Turkey then if everybody knew who he was that could create him a lot of problems and even put his life at risk! But I think you know this already and this is why you are doing this. You are trying to silence him by exposing his real ID and make him to be afraid to say his opinion freely!

Firstly I was not the one that exposed his true name as being linked to one of his more well known aliases, he was the one who did that and when he did it he himself said

I am one and the same (real name and one of his many aliases), it’s no secret, but my PC logged me in under Pikey as that was how I joined under the old set-up. Who are you?

No signs of any fear then. Nor did he request the comments where he himself showed his real name and one of his many aliases to be one and the same be removed for 'fear of harm'. Further in posts under his various aliases elswhere where he has posted scary warnings to ex pats in the TRNC that they should watch out that the TRNC does not just summarily expell them the instance it becomes expident fotr them to do so, others, not me, have challenged him that given his anti TRNC posts that he makes he should worry about repurcussions. In response to these he has bosted about how well he is known in government offices in the TRNC and how he pid his local housing taxes only the other week and without any fear at all.

Sotos if I thought there was ANY physical danger to him at all, let alone to his life I would not have posted any referance to his real world name. In fact it is pretty dam insulting to suggest that I have reffered to his name and its known connection to various aliases with the intent of putting in physical harm and at risk for his life. It is just not true.

As to why I have done what I have it is all explained already and I am not going to go over it all again other than to say as far as I am concerned doing so is legitimate given his behaviour over 8 odd years or so.

This looks very strange to me. Are you sure it is EricSeans behind all that? And what's his real name again?

I would like to hear what EricSeans has to say about this.

[erolz3]

The ECHR doesn't recognize the "trnc" so for the ECHR there is no such thing as "trnc citizens".

We know that the ECHR protects the right of citizens in the "TRNC" (as a group of people not as an entity recognised by the ECHR). Anyone the "TRNC" considersa citizen IS protected by the ECHR - I accept this protection is provided via Turkey as the putable party and the protection those living in the "TRNC" and consider as citizens by the "TRNC" the ECHR gives them does nothing in terms of legitimsiing the TRNC.

But it is just NOT TRUE to say the ECHR provides protection to those people that the "TRNC" considers citizens, but NOT to those it does not. And 'zoots' when he posted the claim KNEW it was not true.

he does so to support another claim about the TRNC that he makes that is not true. Namely that the TRNC constitution is racist.

You forget that "trnc" was declared by first ethnically cleansing GCs just because of their race? Not just the "constitution" but everything related with this anomaly is racist!!!

In order to evaluate if the TRNC consitution itself is racist you have to look at that consitution. Nothing else matters as to the accuracy of the claim that it is racist. If you look at the consitutiuon, it is not racist. That is a demonstrable fact as far as I am concerned unless you strecth 'racist' to the most absurd limits of its common meaning. like if it differnetiates between tights of citizens and rights of non citizens it is racist.

But to be honest Sotos I am feeling that 'space' that is necessary for there to be any chance of achieving any 'breakthroughs' though participation in this forum is rapidly closing down. It is starting to feel (note the use of the word feel - subjective emotional reaction) that your objective is not to seek breakthroughs but to try and get me to say as many times as possible over and over that the TRNC is illegal / non recognised . whatever the subject is. I have made an effort I think in using the " that are so important to you, to try and help 'make space' and yet now feel this effort on my part is not being reciprocated, and thus the point of being here for me dimishes and reduces.

[Pyrpolizer]

The ECHR doesn't recognize the "trnc" so for the ECHR there is no such thing as "trnc citizens".

We know that the ECHR protects the right of citizens in the "TRNC" (as a group of people not as an entity recognised by the ECHR). Anyone the "TRNC" considersa citizen IS protected by the ECHR - I accept this protection is provided via Turkey as the putable party and the protection those living in the "TRNC" and consider as citizens by the "TRNC" the ECHR gives them does nothing in terms of legitimsiing the TRNC.

But it is just NOT TRUE to say the ECHR provides protection to those people that the "TRNC" considers citizens, but NOT to those it does not. And 'zoots' when he posted the claim KNEW it was not true.

he does so to support another claim about the TRNC that he makes that is not true. Namely that the TRNC constitution is racist.

You forget that "trnc" was declared by first ethnically cleansing GCs just because of their race? Not just the "constitution" but everything related with this anomaly is racist!!!

In order to evaluate if the TRNC consitution itself is racist you have to look at that consitution. Nothing else matters as to the accuracy of the claim that it is racist. If you look at the consitutiuon, it is not racist. That is a demonstrable fact as far as I am concerned unless you strecth 'racist' to the most absurd limits of its common meaning. like if it differnetiates between tights of citizens and rights of non citizens it is racist.

But to be honest Sotos I am feeling that 'space' that is necessary for there to be any chance of achieving any 'breakthroughs' though participation in this forum is rapidly closing down. It is starting to feel (note the use of the word feel - subjective emotional reaction) that your objective is not to seek breakthroughs but to try and get me to say as many times as possible over and over that the TRNC is illegal / non recognised . whatever the subject is. I have made an effort I think in using the " that are so important to you, to try and help 'make space' and yet now feel this effort on my part is not being reciprocated, and

thus the point of being here for me dimishes and reduces.

What are you talking about reh Erolz3? Obviously you haven't read it yourself.
IT IS RACIST TO THE ULTIMATE DEGREE. IT IS RACIST AGAINST THE GCs. IT LEGALISES STEALING THEIR PROPERTIES.

You want me to read the relevant clauses for you?

Tsk tsk tsk

[DT.]

The ECHR doesn't recognize the "trnc" so for the ECHR there is no such thing as "trnc citizens".

We know that the ECHR protects the right of citizens in the "TRNC" (as a group of people not as an entity recognised by the ECHR). Anyone the "TRNC" considersa citizen IS protected by the ECHR - I accept this protection is provided via Turkey as the putable party and the protection those living in the "TRNC" and consider as citizens by the "TRNC" the ECHR gives them does nothing in terms of legitimsiing the TRNC.

But it is just NOT TRUE to say the ECHR provides protection to those people that the "TRNC" considers citizens, but NOT to those it does not. And 'zoots' when he posted the claim KNEW it was not true.

he does so to support another claim about the TRNC that he makes that is not true. Namely that the TRNC constitution is racist.

You forget that "trnc" was declared by first ethnically cleansing GCs just because of their race? Not just the "constitution" but everything related with this anomaly is racist!!!

In order to evaluate if the TRNC consitution itself is racist you have to look at that consitution. Nothing else matters as to the accuracy of the claim that it is racist. If you look at the consitutiuon, it is not racist. That is a demonstrable fact as far as I am concerned unless you strecth 'racist' to the most absurd limits of its common meaning. like if it differnetiates between tights of citizens and rights of non citizens it is racist.

But to be honest Sotos I am feeling that 'space' that is necessary for there to be any chance of achieving any 'breakthroughs' though participation in this forum is rapidly closing down. It is starting to feel (note the use of the word feel - subjective emotional reaction) that your objective is not to seek breakthroughs but to try and get me to say as many times as possible over and over that the TRNC is illegal / non recognised . whatever the subject is. I have made an effort I think in using the " that are so important to you, to try and help 'make space' and yet now feel this effort on my part is not being reciprocated, and thus the point of being here for me dimishes and reduces.

Just out of curiosity Erolz, can any citizen of the "trnc" aspire to be an elected President or PM or is it only individuals from a specific ethnic group?

[erolz3]

This looks very strange to me. Are you sure it is EricSeans behind all that? And what's his real name again?

I would like to hear what EricSeans has to say about this.

The evidence that the poster zoots on cyprus44 is one and the same person as the poster here ericseans can be evaluated by anyone for themselves, but doing so after the fact requires ALOT of work, complicated to a degree by the lack of decent search facilties on the other site that has no easy way of isint all posts byu a given user like you can here. The full history is there but pulling it out is harder than it should be.

For me having seen it 'first hand' so to speak and not having to do the work from scratch I would say that the evidence is compelling and easily meets the proof level in civil case of on balnce of propabilites and probably comes close or meets the criminal defintion of beyond resaonable doubt.

Indeed do ask EricSeans his views. Try asking him straight out if he is Zoots on cyprus44. For other indications that are not proof but do not require lots of work just look at the thread he quoted when he brought this whole thing from over there to over here (itself an indication of possible link) and see how many others share the view that he is one and the same person. I stress that such is not proof, does not meet the balance of probabilites test, for that only tedious hard work will do. If you decide you want to put in that work for yourself to make a proper assesment for yourself and want nay help woirking the cyprus44 search engine just ask.

[erolz3]

Just out of curiosity Erolz, can any citizen of the "trnc" aspire to be an elected President or PM or is it only individuals from a specific ethnic group?

Its been a long night and now day as well. To be hundred percent sure I would have to look it up, but I am 99% confident that any citizen can run for elected office including president or PM.

[Jerry]

The "trnc" constitution and its "laws"may or may not be racists but a "state" that does not permit (I'm not sure how it can do this other than through laws an its "constitution") certain persons to reside there because of of their race certainly is racist.

There is a clue as to the preferred race in the "trnc" in the "states" title. Arguing as to which component of the "trnc" is racist is little more than nit picking.

[Pyrpolizer]

This looks very strange to me. Are you sure it is EricSeans behind all that? And what's his real name again?

I would like to hear what EricSeans has to say about this.

The evidence that the poster zoots on cyprus44 is one and the same person as the poster here ericseans can be evaluated by anyone for themselves, but doing so after the fact requires ALOT of work, complicated to a degree by the lack of decent search facilties on the other site that has no easy way of isint all posts byu a given user like you can here. The full history is there but pulling it out is harder than it should be.

For me having seen it 'first hand' so to speak and not having to do the work from scratch I would say that the evidence is compelling and easily meets the proof level in civil case of on balnce of propabilites and probably comes close or meets the criminal defintion of beyond resaonable doubt.

Indeed do ask EricSeans his views. Try asking him straight out if he is Zoots on cyprus44. For other indications that are not proof but do not require lots of work just look at the thread he quoted when he brought this whole thing from over there to over here (itself an indication of possible link) and see how many others share the view that he is one and the same person. I stress that such is not proof, does not meet the balance of probabilites test, for that only tedious hard work will do. If you decide you want to put in that work for yourself to make a proper assesment for yourself and want nay help woirking the cyprus44 search engine just ask.

I am not really interested in what EricSeans says in various forums but on the fact that he seems to be a British investor on property both in the occupied and elsewhere.

Let's wait and see what he will say about this.