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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby CBBB » Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:58 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Watch and learn, its not the amount of words you use its the result that matters and a few months ago you GCs including Kikapu were all singing the praises of the GC economy now look at it, you are begging for a bail out, your government is on the brink of collapse, your banks are heavily invested in Greek stock, you have had the worst explosion in your history and you will think every is fine.....obviously your are not living in the real world but one that people like Kikapu so cleverly dictate to you. Sheep are always followers and you are a sheep.


You have never seen me saying the Cypriot economy is in fantastic shape, but it is obviously better than Turkey's and we won't even mention the occupied areas.

The recent down gradings have taken into account the factors you mention and we are still better than Turkey. Also don't forget the gas!
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Jerry » Sun Aug 14, 2011 5:20 pm

It would seem that European investors have much confidence in Turkey and are piling millions into that country. Spain is the biggest single investor, probably because it has fears about its own financial state. On the surface this may appear to be a good thing for the Turkish economy but rapid investment such as this is certain to lead to rapid inflation and overheating.

This and longer term investment has been stimulated by the belief that Turkey will join the EU. Is the decision that Turkey should join the EU now going to be taken by the financial markets and not the Turkish Government?

Is Turkey being pushed into a corner by market forces, can it afford not to join the EU?

http://www.todayszaman.com/news-253736- ... in-h1.html
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Kikapu » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:38 pm

CBBB wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
CBBB wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:Not gonna happen.


it did before, 6 zeros that time.


History mr history...what happen to your grading last week?


We were downgraded, but not as low as Turkey.

http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings ... 0&range=50


It's good to see TC Rating the RoC with AAA and Turkey with BBB-. :lol:
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Kikapu » Sun Aug 14, 2011 8:57 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:With 9% return on your money investment continues.


VP, the "great" economist. :lol: :lol: :lol:

While the TL is/was paying 9% (actually less) for the last 12 months, it lost;

a) 22% against the Euro, plus additional 6% for inflation for a grand total of = 28%

b) 37% against the Swiss Franc, plus additional 6% for inflation for a grand total of = 43%

c) 12% against the US Dollar, plus additional 6% for inflation for a grand total of = 18%

d) 17% against the British Pound, plus additional 6% for inflation for a grand total of = 23%

VP, the "great" economist. :lol: :lol: :lol:

PS, My dog says, Hi! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Viewpoint wrote:havent you put that mut out of its misery yet?


Cruelty to animals is not my thing. Those who are cruel to animals, are often cruel to Human Beings also. :wink:

Viewpoint wrote:Can you also confirm the performance of the Turkish Lira in terms of return on investment in comparison to other currencies for the years 2002 to 2010


I don't know what what you are talking about. In general, the Turkish Lira has always lost in comparison to other major currencies. What ever high interests (sometimes very very high interests) rates the TL investments paid in the past, it got eaten away by very high inflation and also on direct exchange rate change against major currencies. No wonder very high interest rates were offered on TL accounts, because you did not get to benefit from it for too long. It got all eaten away by other forces. It was easy come, easy go. Have you ever wondered why when making a booking for hotels in Turkey online, they are either in Euros or US Dollars. In the past, as soon as someone got paid a wages in Turkey with TL, they would exchange it to US Dollars right away before it depreciated by some by next morning. Even the Turks do not trust their own Governments currency, so why should anyone else?
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:24 pm

Excellent analysis - High interest rates are a concomitant of inflation while inflation is itself a mirror of what happens to exchange rates and that in turn is liked to trade deficits. Unless and until Turkey can bring trade into balance it will be locked into a vicious downwards spiral, like this:
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Kikapu » Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:45 pm

Turks should know that the TL is not a very stable currency, and that it could appreciate at any time. Does the Turkish Government bare any responsibility towards these investors who thought they would peg their mortgages to the Japanese Yen and the Swiss Franc to fight off high Turkish Inflation and High Interest rates, to be buried by Turkish Lira's depreciation instead ? Personally I don't think so. They made a personal choice to go with the alternative mortgages than what was on offer by Turkey. Any consolation to the Turks, many in Hungary also pegged their mortgages to the Swiss Franc against the Hungarian Forint (HUF), are too in dire straits since the Swiss Franc's vast appreciation. I'm sure many other country's citizens did similarly as the Turks and the Hungarians, I'm afraid.

Turkey's ‘yen victims' appeal for help from PM Erdoğan

Some of these “yen victims” took out loans in the Japanese currency right after the global financial crisis first erupted in the US in the summer of 2008, later spreading to other economies around the world. Compared to latecomers, their losses are even larger as TL 1 equaled almost 70 yen when they signed their mortgage contracts in early 2009 but now trades at just over 42 yen. That is almost a 70 percent increase in their principal in less than three years.

Those who took mortgages in Swiss francs are no less upset these days. One franc was equal to TL 1.65 at the beginning of April but is now hovering at around TL 2.30. “That is beyond a depression for us. It is destruction, a disaster,” said another demonstrator Saturday.

They say the government and relevant financial institutions such as the Central Bank of Turkey and the Banking Regulation and Supervision Agency (BDDK) shouldn't have allowed banks to give out loans denominated in foreign currencies in the first place. What they ask is that the added cost to their debt be paid by the Treasury. “Dear Prime Minister, we are unable to repay this loan. We sold whatever we had, and now we only have our lives. How are we supposed to tackle a global crisis on our own?” Sessizoğlu says.


http://www.todayszaman.com/news-254424- ... dogan.html
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:08 am

obviously only the white folk will suffer from the downturn. the rest of the world is safe, and Turks are neither white or any other colour. magically, Turkey will save us all once we sit in ruin, lost and in despair.
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Pyrpolizer » Mon Aug 22, 2011 9:01 am

repulsewarrior wrote:obviously only the white folk will suffer from the downturn. the rest of the world is safe, and Turks are neither white or any other colour. magically, Turkey will save us all once we sit in ruin, lost and in despair.

:shock: :!: :?:
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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Kikapu » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:27 am

Kikapu wrote:Turks should know that the TL is not a very stable currency, and that it could appreciate at any time. Does the Turkish Government bare any responsibility towards these investors who thought they would peg their mortgages to the Japanese Yen and the Swiss Franc to fight off high Turkish Inflation and High Interest rates, to be buried by Turkish Lira's depreciation instead ? Personally I don't think so. They made a personal choice to go with the alternative mortgages than what was on offer by Turkey. Any consolation to the Turks, many in Hungary also pegged their mortgages to the Swiss Franc against the Hungarian Forint (HUF), are too in dire straits since the Swiss Franc's vast appreciation. I'm sure many other country's citizens did similarly as the Turks and the Hungarians, I'm afraid.

Turkey's ‘yen victims' appeal for help from PM Erdoğan

Some of these “yen victims” took out loans in the Japanese currency right after the global financial crisis first erupted in the US in the summer of 2008, later spreading to other economies around the world. Compared to latecomers, their losses are even larger as TL 1 equaled almost 70 yen when they signed their mortgage contracts in early 2009 but now trades at just over 42 yen. That is almost a 70 percent increase in their principal in less than three years.

Those who took mortgages in Swiss francs are no less upset these days. One franc was equal to TL 1.65 at the beginning of April but is now hovering at around TL 2.30. “That is beyond a depression for us. It is destruction, a disaster,” said another demonstrator Saturday.

They say the government and relevant financial institutions such as the Central Bank of Turkey and the Banking Regulation and Supervision Agency (BDDK) shouldn't have allowed banks to give out loans denominated in foreign currencies in the first place. What they ask is that the added cost to their debt be paid by the Treasury. “Dear Prime Minister, we are unable to repay this loan. We sold whatever we had, and now we only have our lives. How are we supposed to tackle a global crisis on our own?” Sessizoğlu says.


http://www.todayszaman.com/news-254424- ... dogan.html

:shock: :shock: :shock:

Only in Turkey's dream that would happen. It should have said, "that it could depreciate at any time" rather than the above. Anyway, it has been corrected now. :D

Since I'm back on the subject, there is one thing the Turkish Government could be guilty of in the eyes of these investors who took out their mortgages pegged to other currencies to much more stable economies for added security, in that, the Turkish Government is always too busy telling the world what great economy they have, just because they had achieved high economic growth at times, which is not so unusual to any developing country to do so, but having had "good" economic growth is almost meaningless when you have high inflation, high unemployment, very high Foreign Trade Deficit, Negative Current Account Balance, Depreciating Turkish Lira and so on, so it is likely that these people who may only know what their government tells them that everything is rosy with the country's economy, just as how VP believes everything he is told by Erdogan, these people were basically made to believe that the Turkish economy is KING of Europe and that if anything, that the Turkish Lira would skyrocket up backed by the imaginary strong Turkish Economy, which would have made their mortgages pegged to other currencies much cheaper, because they believed they would have a very strong Turkish Lira in the future. Well, not so, and the TL this morning is at $1 = TL 1.79 when it lost about 17% against the USD in the last 2 years, and in comparison to other major currencies, the USD has lost a lot of value against some other major currencies, like the Yen and the Swiss Franc, because of USA's sluggish economy and because of Japans and Switzerland's strong and stable economies, despite Japans problems with the earthquake and Nuclear Power stations earlier this year. If the USD has lost value, what does that say about the TL in comparison, other than 17% depreciation in the last 2 years alone. TL lost 33% against the Japanese Yen in the last 2 years. It most certainly does not look very good for Turkey or it's TL currency going forward.

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Re: Turkey's Foreign trade deficit soars by 79.2 percent in

Postby Kikapu » Mon Aug 29, 2011 8:59 am

Turkey's Foreign Trade Deficit remains at 79% over same period in 2010.

After a record level of $10.2 billion in June, Turkey’s foreign trade deficit fell to nearly $9 billion last month. Still, the figure for the first seven months is 79.1 percent higher than the same period in 2010. Economists agree that the government should take structural measures to fight against the ever-growing deficit


http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php? ... 2011-08-26
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