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[cypezokyli]

vp,

some people even found people that they know.

please dont start again this endless kifeas - vp thing

who knows perhaps its the first step for trust that u r always talking about.

say your story it doesnt matter how bad it is.

and kifeas please dont answer.
thats the only way to discover some more "doctors"

[Alexios]

Dr Herodotos Nicolaides, he is dead now and he is survived by two children. Kypros Nicolaides is a world authority on pre birth operations on embryos and a renowned gynaecologist. He is based in London (Kings University) and operates a clinic in Fleet Street that basically funds his research programmes.

Herodotos Nicolaides was a relative of my late father.I remember vaguely as a small child when my mother used to visit him, the clinic full of people both G/Cs and T/Cs.A lot of people from villages all over Paphos district did not have cash to pay.A dozen eggs or a chicken was more often their mode of payment.. It was more than enough for the ever smiling Doctor...

[Bananiot]

I heard he visited the village on horse back. Is that so? here is a story I also heard.

Once, the village fool visited him and he was urged to tell him that he was ... pregnant. Sure enough, Dr Herodotos told him that he was pregnant. Later, the fool came across his wife in the village and started yelling: Didn't I tell you not to get on top of me? Look what you have done to me ...

[Kifeas]

Kifeas can you please explain why it is you are always on the defensive with my posts, I tried to explain that the last time i posted a personal bicommunal experience it was shot down as not being true, a situation that I will not forget for the rest of my life was just disregarded and cast aside as a few GCs on this forum didnt want to accept thus blocking out what GCs were doing to TCs during the 60/70s.

Is that any clearer for you??

Plus its obvious we do not share share the same vision and perspectives on the Cyprus issue, dont you feel you should be a bit more tollerant? you convey an arrogance and disrespect for anyone whos ideas do not conform to your own.

Viewpoint, when Cypezokyli asked people to share their bi-communal experiences, I am sure what he had in mind was the positive ones. Those experiences that unite the two communities and not those that divide them. Those experiences that send an optimistic signal and not those ones that send a pessimistic signal. I do not want to speak on his behalf, but I have a very strong feeling that this is what he wanted to achieve, although he did not specify it. In your case, although you may have some positive ones to share, what you are interested in sharing are the negative ones. Those negative experiences that justify your divisive and secessionist objectives and preferences.

You want to express those experiences, which by the way I do not dispute to have ever existed, that victimise the other side and suppress its desire to hope, believe and work for the unification of this country. This is the sad truth about you. Of course, it goes beyond saying that there is a reason you want to always act in this way. I know what this reason is and, in fact, I expressed and described it in this forum many times.

We know very well that there were many bad incidences between the two communities. They involve harassment and murders of TCs by GCs, but there are also cases of the opposite. If everything was perfect, most likely we wouldn’t be in the situation we are now. Nobody denies this fact. This forum, and every other bi-communal forum, revolves around the idea of re-uniting Cyprus and the future. Now, if this is not what you want and instead you rather want a fake re-unification based on your own terms or even partition, and it seems so, then the best thing to do is to find or set up a forum in which only pro-partition, nationalist GCs and TCs participate and in there, each one of you, express all your negativity, so that you convince each other even more for the reasons why re-unification should never occur.

From the moment you choose to be here, then I am obliged to expose your motives and objectives all the time, since they are on the opposite fence of mine. That means that you will find me in some cases on the defensive, in some other cases on the offensive and in some other cases merely on the side of ridiculing your arguments. Other people, like for example Alexandros Lordos, will try to use reason in dealing with your arguments and views. Unfortunately I am convinced that reason does not work in your case, not because you are not capable to think reasonably but because it doesn’t suit you. Unfortunately I am convinced that you are not here to have reasonable discussions but only to express emotionalising arguments, in many cases fake ones, with the sole aim to victimise the other side and rationalise your preferences and objectives.

I hope I was not too harsh with you, although I am afraid I was. If so I apologise. I did not want to get on you on a personal level but it seems I had no choice, based on your above questions. I do not remember which case (posting) you are referring at, in which you expressed a personal bicommunal experience and which was shot down and dismissed by GCs, as you say. If you want you may repeat it now or at least divert us to it with a link.

I am well aware what some GCs were doing to TCs during the 60/70s, as I am also well aware of what the some TCs were preparing for the GCs during 60/70s. Furthermore, I can understand and explain them in my mind, obviously without necessarily justifying them. Are you aware what the TC leadeship, with the aid of Turkey, has done to the GCs in 1974 and which continues up to this day? I hope you are!

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas

Viewpoint, when Cypezokyli asked people to share their bi-communal experiences, I am sure what he had in mind was the positive ones. Those experiences that unite the two communities and not those that divide them. Those experiences that send an optimistic signal and not those ones that send a pessimistic signal. I do not want to speak on his behalf, but I have a very strong feeling that this is what he wanted to achieve, although he did not specify it

If you had taken a few seconds to absorb what cypezokli said you would have found;

i dont know if that should go into general chat, but i guess it is part of what we beleive about each other.

i would like to ask you to share any kind of biccomunal stories that you your parents or grandparents had (especially these ones)
tho old especcialy are really beatifull.

they could be good or bad.
but please if you choose a bad one dont write about the death of 100 people . write about the one person you know.

cant wait...

so all is not as you concieve it in your mind, my advise to you and you can take it with a pinch of salt is to read and absorb rather than respond on auto pilot.

Isnt the fact that I did not state my bicommunal experience due to the negative reaction it provokes from the GCs on this forum reflect that I did not want to repeat what happened last time? isnt this a better move than revealing a very personal experience about me and my family to have it torn to pieces? and upset others.

As for starting a forum for people that think like me, how mundane there would be no arguements or exchange of ideas, views etc as we would all think the same. Isnt the idea of these forums to learn from the other side and challenge your own viewpoints. Your suggestion brings to mind the cleansing of this forum of people who do not think along the similar lines, in this case Kifeas being the norm, how boring that would be.
My thoughts and input provokes you to think and respond to ideology which you do not really want to face. Doesnt this stimulate everyone to a better understanding of each others position?

Why is partition such a dirty word? its just another form of solution like BBF Unitary War, all though we have the option not to subscrible we have to accept that all these are options whether we like them or not.
Subscribing to partition is not as easy as you may think it is a result of both disappointment, desparation, following evaluation of the 2 communites and the circumstancies we find oursleves today. Acceptence that our 2 communities are incapable and cannot build a common future is not an easy decision to take I can assure you.

[Othellos]

Acceptence that our 2 communities are incapable and cannot build a common future is not an easy decision to take I can assure you.

I think that our problem in Cyprus is not about 2 "incapable" communities who cannot built a common future, but about certain incapable groups or incapable individuals who never tried or never really cared to do that.

[Kifeas]

Isnt the fact that I did not state my bicommunal experience due to the negative reaction it provokes from the GCs on this forum reflect that I did not want to repeat what happened last time? isnt this a better move than revealing a very personal experience about me and my family to have it torn to pieces? and upset others.

Why you do not at last tell us your experience instead of keep warning us not to shoot it down and tear it in pieces before we even hear it.

As for starting a forum for people that think like me, how mundane there would be no arguements or exchange of ideas, views etc as we would all think the same. Isnt the idea of these forums to learn from the other side and challenge your own viewpoints. Your suggestion brings to mind the cleansing of this forum of people who do not think along the similar lines, in this case Kifeas being the norm, how boring that would be.

I do not want to cleanse the forum from anyone! Do not twist around what I said! You have the right to say whatever you want and I have the right to respond to it in the way I choose appropriate, as long as it is within the rules of the forum. Your initial question was why I respond and /or react defensively to your arguments. I tried and I hope I gave you an answer to this question already.

My thoughts and input provokes you to think and respond to ideology which you do not really want to face. Doesnt this stimulate everyone to a better understanding of each others position?

Your thoughts and input are well known Viewpoint. The logic behind your arguments is very simple. “You did to us this and that 40 or 50 years ago and for this reason we do not trust you and therefore we are ethically /morally allowed to keep you out of your country, your houses and out of your properties,” or “We do not trust you and because you cannot make us trust you, we are allowed to partition the country forever and declare whatever was yours to be ours forever.” This is all your argumentation and your hypothesis. This is what Mr. Denktash tried to make you get used to, during all this years.

Luckily and despite all the conditioning from denktash, the majority of the TCs, to their credit did not subscribe to this logic. Unfortunately, you are one of those who subscribed.

Tell me which law, natural or positive, national or international, moral or written, allows you to think and act in this way.

Why is partition such a dirty word? its just another form of solution like BBF Unitary War, all though we have the option not to subscrible we have to accept that all these are options whether we like them or not.

Partition for the majority of the GCs is not just a dirty world; it carries the potential of a future casus belli.

[Kifeas]

double post

[Viewpoint]

Acceptence that our 2 communities are incapable and cannot build a common future is not an easy decision to take I can assure you.

I think that our problem in Cyprus is not about 2 "incapable" communities who cannot built a common future, but about certain incapable groups or incapable individuals who never tried or never really cared to do that.[quote]

Arent we saying the same thing? if there arent enough people that can display the flexibility or compromise then sure these people are incapable of uniting and working for a common future for the benefit of all Cypriots.

[Othellos]

Arent we saying the same thing? if there arent enough people that can display the flexibility or compromise then sure these people are incapable of uniting and working for a common future for the benefit of all Cypriots.

Remember Viewpoint when I wrote in this forum a few days ago about your tendency to generalize?

O.