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S/6426 UN Accuses Turkish Leadership of Self-Segregation

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Re: S/6426 UN Accuses Turkish Leadership of Self-Segregation

Postby bill cobbett » Sat Jan 21, 2012 2:23 am

S/6228

This is from REPORT ON THE UNITED NATIONS OPERATION IN CYPRUS (FOR THE PERIOD 13 DECEMBER 1964 TO 10 MARCH 1965), again it's from the United Nations Secretary General U Thant addressed to the Security Council. It is ref'd S/6228 .

Again no direct link to it, so those who wish to see the whole doc will have to go to the UN Documents Centre Search page at... http://www.un.org/en/documents/ods/ and put the search term >>> S/6228 <<< in to the search box.


A huge document which goes in to great detail from a UNFICYP perspective about policing a very difficult situation, but concentrating on the theme of the thread which is the "turkish leadership's" Policy of Self-Segregation as confirmed in the Sec Gen's Reports, which many might agree takes us from 1964 under the predecessor regime to "tncr" right up to the Greentree Talks on Monday where the current day "tcrnc" will again try on its Two Peoples, Two Countries Solution.

Anyway from S/6228..

s17 includes the following...

In fact, the "Turkish Cypriot" policy of self-isolation has led the community in the opposite direction from normality.

s53 contains this...

The Turkish Cypriot leaders claim that their community adopts defensive measures in the face of possible acts of Greek Cypriot violence; since they regard the Government as illegal, they also seek to avoid placing,Turkish Cypriots in situations where they have to acknowledge the authority of government agents. The fact is that this self-isolation policy is least successful wherever the Government has most consistently sought to foster a return to normal conditions and to prevent victimization of Turkish Cypriots; in such areas the links with the Turkish Cypriot leadership in Nicosia may sometimes become tenuous, and the population may in part accept government administrative authority.

From s55...

Accordingly, while the Turkish Cypriot fighters confront the government from fortified lines, the community leadership discourages the Turkish Cypriot population from engaging in personal, commercial or other contacts with their Greek Cypriot compatriots, from applying to government offices in administrative matters, or,from resettling in .their home villages if they are refugees.

s56 has a ref to exit permits from the exclaves...

The device of requiring exit permits for Turkish Cypriots desirous of leaving the Turkish Cypriot quarter and lawfully travelling about their business to other parts of the country is regularly used in Nicosia. While the Turkish Cypriot leaders contend that this formality is designed to check on possible abductions by Greek Cypriots, no verified reports of abductions have come to the attention of UNCIVPOL in many months; exit permits however may tend to discourage people from leaving the Turkish Cypriot quarter unless absolutely necessary.

s57...

The Turkish Cypriot leaders assert that they will forgo their present military position only on the condition that the Turkish Cypriot community's rights under the 1960 Constitution are restored. Pending such a consummation, they will so far as may be within their power strive to
achieve and enforce a condition akin to de facto partition.


s230...

... which covers the situation in Morphou District...

The refugee problem has remained almost exactly the same as described in the previous report (s/6102, pare. 190). Turkish Cypriot leaders will not allow or encourage refugees to return to their villages, except to Kokkina. The Government, on the other hand, encourages the return of the refugees to all villages with the exception of Kokkina. Red Crescent supplies and Red Cross activities have successfully alleviated many of the cases of extreme hardship.
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Re: S/6426 UN Accuses Turkish Leadership of Self-Segregation

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Jan 21, 2012 8:23 am

...thanks, bill.

i have avoided repeating what my elders said because i am afraid of spreading the bias that seems to have infected so many of us. once again, it is a relief to see that they spoke with reason.

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Re: S/6426 UN Accuses Turkish Leadership of Self-Segregation

Postby Viewpoint » Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:29 pm

Segregation from GCs meant survival its that simple. You people are trying to excuse your mistakes in the hope that TCs will say ho it was all our thought the poor little GCs had no part in the division of today we did it all on our own. Dream on.
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Re: S/6426 UN Accuses Turkish Leadership of Self-Segregation

Postby kurupetos » Sat Jan 21, 2012 1:45 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Segregation from GCs meant survival its that simple. You people are trying to excuse your mistakes in the hope that TCs will say ho it was all our thought the poor little GCs had no part in the division of today we did it all on our own. Dream on.

Turkey invaded and partitioned CY in 1974 and you TCs supported the partitionist AP, right?

Why do we need to say anything further? :?
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Re: S/6426 UN Accuses Turkish Leadership of Self-Segregation

Postby bill cobbett » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:05 am

On the Policy of Self-Segregation practised by the predecessors to the Illegal Regime, the TMT/Volkan led by Rough Donktosh, Dr Insan Ali had this to say in a pleading letter to the Commander of UNFICYP on 18.05.1965...


"Almost every day I receive complaints either in person or by telephone or in letters from my Turkish compatriots to the effect that they are exposed to Turkish threats and intimidation in various ways. In particular, they are prevented from going to the Greek market to shop even the basic necessities of life. Furthermore, those who have deserted their homes or villages are now being prevented from going back to their homes. It is impossible not to be pained by these activities which can¬not in any way be reconciled with human rights and liberties".
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Re: S/6426 UN Accuses Turkish Leadership of Self-Segregation

Postby humanist » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:18 am

Hi Bill ......

didn't realise that your involved in the freedom of Cyprus type work. Just a couple of points I would like clarity on the above?

My ignorance really but who is stopping those Tc's now in the occupied area from returning to the Free areas to reclaim their properties.

Also,

has the RoC in their definition of refugee allow for these TC's to be referred too as refugee so that they have similar benefits as GC refugees. Ie assistance for building homes or getting access to refugee housing.
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Re: S/6426 UN Accuses Turkish Leadership of Self-Segregation

Postby bill cobbett » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:28 am

humanist wrote:Hi Bill ......

didn't realise that your involved in the freedom of Cyprus type work. Just a couple of points I would like clarity on the above?

My ignorance really but who is stopping those Tc's now in the occupied area from returning to the Free areas to reclaim their properties.

Also,

has the RoC in their definition of refugee allow for these TC's to be referred too as refugee so that they have similar benefits as GC refugees. Ie assistance for building homes or getting access to refugee housing.


Am not involved in that sort of work mate. Am just a concerned sort of Englishman with CY genes who stumbled on CyProb some years ago when researching topless sunbathing in the Med.

One of the things stopping people reclaiming their props is the 6 month residency rule. Way, way past its sell by date.

Erm on the last matter ... can CYs of the Occupied Areas claim similar benefits as those in the Free Areas? Very interesting and salient point A. ... Very interesting indeed. Off the top of head thoughts are that the Republic must treat all its citizens equally, if it fails to do so, then a challenge at the ECHR would probably be successful.
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Re: S/6426 UN Accuses Turkish Leadership of Self-Segregation

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:32 am

humanist wrote:My ignorance really but who is stopping those Tc's now in the occupied area from returning to the Free areas to reclaim their properties.


The RoC isn't stopping them. Some have come back.
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Re: S/6426 UN Accuses Turkish Leadership of Self-Segregation

Postby humanist » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:51 am

so where can you topless sunbath in the Med? lol



thanx for the response. I knew about citizen equality but just missed that point you made earlier about being stopped so am assuming the regime in the occupied area is stopping them somehow.
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Re: S/6426 UN Accuses Turkish Leadership of Self-Segregation

Postby Get Real! » Sun Jan 22, 2012 12:55 am

humanist wrote:so where can you topless sunbath in the Med? lol

Well that’s what happens when you watch porn movies all day and then log on the CF Andreas! :evil:
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