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[Bananiot]

On July 11 last year, Rauf Denktash had proposed to Papadopoulos the same package of CBMs the president suggested 15 days ago. Again, the main provision was the return of Famagusta.

Of course, back then there was no EU decision for direct trade with the Turkish Cypriot community and Papadopoulos rejected the proposal with no second thought:

“Denktash, Papadopoulos said, has abandoned the bi-communal talks since March 10 (2003) in The Hague after rejecting the Annan plan. Instead of talks on the comprehensive solution of the Cyprus problem, Denktash has since introduced, in full co-operation with Ankara, a new strategy to maintain the occupying regime and neighbourly relations.”

If there were a Nobel Prize for political hypocrisy, Papadopoulos would have won without breaking a sweat.

[Piratis]

And you would win the oscars for treason and lies.

[Piratis]

On July 11 last year, Rauf Denktash had proposed to Papadopoulos the same package of CBMs the president suggested 15 days ago. Again, the main provision was the return of Famagusta.

It was not the same. The only somewhat common thing is that Denctash proposed to give part of Famagusta back but he demanded in return the opening of the airport of Nicosia for "TRNC" also.

[Bananiot]

Did you know that Papadopoulos has rejected all the plans that were thrown at us by the international community since 1963?

Did you know that he rejected the CBM's prepared by the UN some 6 years ago, calling them the "fourth Attila"?

Did you know that our clueless president now wants Famagusta back through ... CBM's?

[Piratis]

If the plan or CBMs was not good why should he accept it?

I am sure for you they were all good, as it was the Annan plan. But you know very well that most of us agree with Papadopoulos and not with you.

And the CBMs that the government proposed do not give any kind of recognition to the "TRNC". Not all CBMs are equal.

[Bananiot]

Did you know that the "Akritas Plan" was drawn up before the submission of the changes to the constitution? This evil organisation had Yiorkatzis as its leader and you-know-who as its vice leader. They took an oath:

I HEREBY DO SOLEMNY SWEAR

To believe in ONE and undivisible country

Obedience to the constitution of my organisation

Obedience to my superior

To defend faithfully our flag (greek) which I will never part

To continuously endeavour for ENOSIS with mother Greece and to shed my last drop of blood for this cause if Ihave to
(Taken from Spyros Papageorgiou "From Zurich to Attila" Volume I, page 195)

Question: Do you expect anyone who took such an oath to solve our problem on the basis of bizonal federation?

[Piratis]

How do you know who was taking oaths? You were there too?
This "Akritas Plan" is the main thing in every Turkish propaganda, no wonder you use it all the time too.

By the way, depending on the source, Cleredes took that oath too, and you did expect Cleredes to solve our problem on the basis of bizonal federation, right?

[Bananiot]

Did you know that in 1978 the Anglo-American-Canadian plan was proposed as the basis of a solution and it was of course based on a federal system? The three governments proposed that once negotiations started the legal residents of Famagusta would return to their homes and would stay there even if the talks broke down.

The plan was rejected by AKEL and Kyprianou. Papadopoulos was sent packing by Kyprianou in 1978 accusing him of conspiring against him. Until then Papadopoulos was the main advisor to kyprianou. In 1981, in an interview he gave to RIK, Papadopoulos remarked that the plan was unacceptable because it "gave equal rights to the turkish cypriot federal side".

In April 2004, the same reason was given, among others, in rejecting the A plan. You can believe him when he says he accepts federarion at your own peril.

[Piratis]

Papadopoulos remarked that the plan was unacceptable because it "gave equal rights to the turkish cypriot federal side".

In April 2004, the same reason was given, among others, in rejecting the A plan. You can believe him when he says he accepts federation at your own peril.

We said 1000 times that the TC state of 18% can not have equal power with the GC state of 82%, and if we have to we will say it 1000 times more. Since in all federations power is given according to the population of each state, we can trust Papadopoulos that he will only accept a true federation and not a confederation or a disguised partition like the Annan plan.

[erolz]

The issue remains the same all the way back to 1960

You deny that TC have a 'right' to self representation as a 'people' and portray any degree of autonomy that you offered then or offer now to TC as being a 'gift' and 'compromise' and an act of GC benevolence.

Insist that we are not a people and equal to GC people in that respect and insist that there is only a single Cypriot people which is dominated by a GC numerical majority and we are no nearer either a settlement or the mutual respect that is a pre requist for a settlement (imo).