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Postby andytandreou » Sat Oct 01, 2005 6:50 pm

This is related to the discussion we had in the thread called Low broadband penetration, I think our discussion may have been followed by Fiona Mullen!! She hints where it says "if the consultant had spent just one hour on the Internet".

Don't get confused when reading this. What Fiona is doing in this article is quoting the German consultant and his outlandish comments about Cyprus and then disproving his claim in her own words.


PS. This really reminds me of mythbusters on discovery chanel :D

How attractive for investors is Cyprus?


28/09/2005
www.financialmirror.com

OPINION

Get your facts right!

By Fiona Mullen

A man describing himself as a German business consultant based in Cyprus wrote a critical article in a local newspaper on Friday about the environment for foreign investment in Cyprus. While some of his criticisms are reasonable, he made many more unsupported statements, some of which were either completely wrong or otherwise misleading.

We are not saying that Cyprus is perfect, and we have covered criticisms by foreign investor representatives at length. But if the consultant had spent just one hour on the Internet, he would have busted his own myths with the following hard evidence.

Myth 1: Living costs

"The living costs are among the highest in Europe". Wrong.

According to the latest Cost of Living Survey 2005 from Mercer Human Resource Consulting, Limassol (the only Cypriot city surveyed) is the second cheapest city in Europe, ranked 100th, beaten only by Bucharest in Romania, which is not yet an EU member, in 103rd place. As for property, Antonis Loizou, of Antonis Louizou and Associates Chartered Surveyors, told the Financial Mirror on the whole Cyprus is 20% cheaper than Spain on a like for like basis, 50% cheaper than Italy and France and a even more cheap than the UK.

Myth 2: Corporate tax

"The uniform corporate tax rate of 10 per cent ... is only part of the truth. ... Above one million, the tax rate is 15 per cent." Wrong.

The 5% windfall tax on profits above one million was temporary and applied only in the tax years 2003 and 2004.

Moreover, according to a study by the European Commission, in 2003 Cyprus had the 19th lowest tax burden (including social security payments) in the EU, at 34.3% of GDP, compared with a high of 51.4% for Sweden and a low of 28.7% for Lithuania. So even if Cyprus has fewer double taxation treaties than Germany or the UK, it is Cyprus that is likely benefit from the treaties it does have (which is why Germany bargained so very hard about the new double taxation treaty with Cyprus).

Myth 3: Defence tax

"[T]here is an additional so-called "defence tax", something that is hard to understand in the context of Cyprus’ EU membership." Misleading.

As this comes right after as discussion on corporate tax, it implies that there is a defence tax on corporate revenue. This is not the case. Although the rules on the defence contribution are complex (and do need to be simplified), our understanding is that companies only pay the special contribution for defence on dividends, interest and rental income, and even then, there are deductions and exemptions.

As for why Cyprus needs a special tax on defence, one only needs to note that despite being a member of the EU, Cyprus is still host to some 35,000 unwelcome Turkish troops. Moreover, the government’s defence spending was cut in half in 2004.

Myth 4: Labour costs

"Labour costs are not very attractive." Misleading.

According to a Eurostat survey published in May 2005, average annual earnings in industry and services excluding public administration were EUR 22,320 in Cyprus (13th highest), compared with an EU average of EUR 28,020. Admittedly Cyprus cannot compete with earnings of less than EUR 10,000 for seven of the new east European EU members, but it can compete very well with earnings of over EUR 30,000 for ten of the old EU members.

Moreover, when it comes to salaries for educated workers, on which Cyprus’ business services depend, Cyprus competes even better. The average salary for those with tertiary education is EUR 29,850 (15th highest), compared with an EU average of EUR 42,830 and six members with an average of over EUR 50,000.

Myth 5: Car prices

"Buying a car in Cyprus or importing a car from another EU country is more expensive than anywhere else in the EU." Wrong.

An extensive list of pre-tax and post-tax manufacturers’ recommended retail price for hundreds of models of cars that was published by the European Commission in August and covered by our newspaper, showed that Denmark was by far the most expensive country in the EU for almost every single model on a post-tax basis. While Cyprus had about three models that were close to the most expensive, it also had some of the cheapest. Although no average was given, Cypriot prices generally fell somewhere in the middle.

Myth 6: Languages

"Keep in mind that foreign investors regularly speak only little Greek". Misleading. According to new Eurostat research, 75% of Cypriots speak more than one language, compared with an EU average of 50%.

Where he does have a point

But there are a few observations with which we. First, the consultant asks whether the team at the new investment promotion agency will be formed "out of a community of friends, relatives and related friends."

The instinct to give greater weight to political connections than to real merit when recruiting for top posts in Cyprus is one of the biggest threats to business in Cyprus, because it encourages complacency and discourages competition. The stock exchange fiasco, after which the real culprits are still running free, is the best example of the dangers of cosy connections.

Second, he says "What matters...is mainly a question of the right mentality" and "Cyprus’ EU membership is widely known by expectations of "what we get out of Europe".

At the political level, he has a point, namely that our political reputation of being Europe’s pain in the neck can damage foreign investors’ appetites, as opposition politicians have pointed out in this newspaper before.

Heavyweights like Britain and France may be able to get away with picking fights with each other, but smaller, weaker member states seem to achieve much more by avoiding megaphone diplomacy: think of that other ex-colony, Ireland, now a highly successful EU member with bag-loads of foreign investment.

However, at least on the economic level, Cyprus’ contribution to the EU will come very soon, when along with all other member states, it will have to publish its own detailed country-specific Lisbon Agenda, showing how it will do its bit to turn Europe into the world’s most competitive economy by 2010.

With a highly educated, comparatively cheap labour force, low costs of services and an hospitable culture, the only thing that could hold us back is if the new head of the investment promotion agency is, indeed, just a friend of a friend with few real talents.
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Postby devil » Sun Oct 02, 2005 12:21 pm

Both parties are partially right and partially wrong.

For example, Myth 6:

"Keep in mind that foreign investors regularly speak only little Greek". Misleading. According to new Eurostat research, 75% of Cypriots speak more than one language, compared with an EU average of 50%.


What does this mean? In terms of the business investing environment, this is pure male bovine excrement. I doubt whether more than about 10% of Cypriots are sufficiently versed in a second language to be able to conduct business transactions, even oral, let alone written. I don't know what the Eurostat criteria are for "speaking more than one language" but knowing how to say "Good morning" does not qualify, in my lights. If this were the case, I could qualify as speaking at least 20 languages. I consider myself bilingual (English/French) with a smattering of perhaps 6 or 7 other languages, including Greek, in which I can conduct simple business.

I was, until my retirement, the founder and CEO of a very small but internationally known Group, with HQ in Switzerland and a branch in the UK. We performed both manufacturing and services. I know what it's like to invest. I would never recommend any company to invest in manufacturing in this country (possible exception processing of indigenous agricultural produce). In the case of services, I would recommend extreme care before investing, making sure you have suitable personnel, know your competition and know your way through the bureaucratic minefield before laying down the first penny. In truth, I would recommend residence in the country for at least a year to get first-hand knowledge of the unique mentality of the island, before investing. Much as I like Cyprus and the Cypriots, I'm not blind to their faults and, frankly, where I would have invested in the early 1960s, I wouldn't now.

At the time leading up to the stock exchange bubble, two friends were heavily involved. I saw what was coming many months before it happened and I advised both to get out when they could. One was a senior bank employee and he ended up so heavily in debt that the bank asked him to leave. The other has a medium sized commerce and he lost well over £1M and he had to mortgage his house and commercial premises to the hilt to stay afloat and he is still ruled by the bank, even though his business thrives well. In the first case, the guy is truly well-educated with an MBA and MA in economics from a leading US University but this did not stop him from exhibiting the Cypriot love of getting rich quick and, let's face it, naivety. The other guy was less well educated but he, too, fell into the trap. This character is not what business investors would look for in human resources.

So, where the German's arguments were perhaps exaggerated and misleading, they offered better advice for potential investors than this lady's counter-rant which paints a picture in too many shades of rose and is equally misleading.
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Postby andytandreou » Sun Oct 02, 2005 1:19 pm

devil wrote:So, where the German's arguments were perhaps exaggerated and misleading, they offered better advice for potential investors than this lady's counter-rant which paints a picture in too many shades of rose and is equally misleading.


I don't entirely agree with you there!!

I believe Cyprus has much to offer but the only real problem we have is that of the Turkish invasion and occupation. That really scares people off as they see Cyprus as some sort of war-zone. Europe has greatly contributed to changing this backward view of Cyprus but the occupation still persists.

I am also greatly disappointed with the government and their love-affair with red-tape, forms and bureaucracy. The perfect example is the renewable energy fund, which collects money from our electricity bills to give to renewable energy projects of any scale. The project has huge surpluses of cash as nobody can be bothered to go through the hassle of applying, as one member of parliament put it, "The only thing they don't ask you is for a DNA sample". Pathetic in my opinion. A smart and novel idea being killed by forms and red-tape.
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Postby devil » Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:45 pm

andytandreou wrote:I believe Cyprus has much to offer but the only real problem we have is that of the Turkish invasion and occupation. That really scares people off as they see Cyprus as some sort of war-zone. Europe has greatly contributed to changing this backward view of Cyprus but the occupation still persists.


I don't agree with you entirely on this point. Plenty of people have retired to this "war zone" and that has not scared them off. Quite frankly, I believe the GC 'Oxi' has possibly had a much greater negative effect (I'm not discussing whether it was justified or not, but simply the effect). This was perceived, throughout the world, as negative because it demonstrated something that surprised many, including potential investors, and showed an inability to negotiate well, so essential in business. This is one of a number of reasons for Cyprus being seen as amateurish in business.

Then, if conflict is a reason for staying away, how about Israel, which attracts many investors - and there the conflict is real?

andytandreou wrote:I am also greatly disappointed with the government and their love-affair with red-tape, forms and bureaucracy. The perfect example is the renewable energy fund, which collects money from our electricity bills to give to renewable energy projects of any scale. The project has huge surpluses of cash as nobody can be bothered to go through the hassle of applying, as one member of parliament put it, "The only thing they don't ask you is for a DNA sample". Pathetic in my opinion. A smart and novel idea being killed by forms and red-tape.


I agree with you there.

This is just one example of many. I, for one, was affected. I applied for a subsidy for installing a 3.5 kW PV system nearly 2 years ago. I got the green light from the EAC within a month of submitting the papers, but I gave up the fight with the government a few months ago. Each time, they are wanting a new document and, even if they eventually give the green light, there is no guarantee you will get the cash back; they can always find some pretext to not grant it. This is a total scam. How will investors greet such negativism from the government?
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Postby Piratis » Sun Oct 02, 2005 5:33 pm

I doubt whether more than about 10% of Cypriots are sufficiently versed in a second language to be able to conduct business transactions, even oral, let alone written.

May I ask with which country you compare Cyprus with? And what kind of business transactions are you taking about? The 75% of Eurostat is about the general population which includes house wives, untrained workers etc. When it comes to businesses this percentage is more like 95%.

Maybe you have some very strong English accent. Personally I have difficulty to understand some people with strong accents from certain parts of the UK. If you try to talk proper English (BBC way) then you will see that you will not have any problem to conduct business transactions using English with the great majority of Cypriot businesses.
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Postby shoo » Sun Oct 02, 2005 7:41 pm

Hello Cyprus-Forum members,
I've read all the articles related to this thread as they appeared in Cyprus Mail and on Financial Mirror. I've got a few notes that are worth mentioning.

First of all I think Mr. Eckenbach hasn't thought about the costs of living that Mercer did include in their survey. Mercers survey did include costs that are partially non-existent for most people. Let's take the example of alcoholics - if water is your favourite you wouldn't bother about high taxes on alcoholics. Same for tobacco etc.
So the costs of living are bound to subjective perceptions and situations.

As another example I will take Berlin: People who are moving to Berlin will pay much higher rents as people who moved 2-3 years before. The living costs will differ though they may have the same quality of living.
And what's up with those who have their own estates?

My opinion on this is that Mr. Eckenbach should have skipped this part and Fiona should stop comparing apples with pears. On a personal note: I guess while writing this he did have Cyta in his mind ;)

Moreover, according to a study by the European Commission, in 2003 Cyprus had the 19th lowest tax burden (including social security payments) in the EU,


Fiona doesn't stop comparing apples with pears ;) Comparing the tax burden including the social security payments won't give you a proper picture of the situation. That's like comparing the costs of a private clinic to a public one. Furthermore it is 2005, isn't it? A lot of changes since then in most EU countries.

An extensive list of pre-tax and post-tax manufacturers’ recommended retail price for hundreds of models of cars that was published by the European Commission in August and covered by our newspaper, showed that Denmark was by far the most expensive country in the EU for almost every single model on a post-tax basis. While Cyprus had about three models that were close to the most expensive, it also had some of the cheapest. Although no average was given, Cypriot prices generally fell somewhere in the middle.


True but reading closely she seems to know that her point isn't brilliant at all. Denmark is damn expensive but Cyprus scores 2nd. That's my personal opinion(!) as I always love to compare prices when visiting different countries. No chance I would ever buy a car (a good car) in Cyprus. It is just too expensive.

"Keep in mind that foreign investors regularly speak only little Greek". Misleading. According to new Eurostat research, 75% of Cypriots speak more than one language, compared with an EU average of 50%.


They just learned it or are they able to speak in a fluent manner?
If so, those who are able to do so went on vacation all the time I have been to Cyprus :roll:

Let's differ between being able to read the emergency signs and conducting tough business talks in english or another language. For sure there are Cypriots with perfect foreign language skills but it is important that the citizenship as a whole improves so that foreign investors feel like home. Spending money at home makes a lot more fun.

Greetings

PS: Another perspective from the outside: http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 1&cat_id=8
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Postby andytandreou » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:16 am

Hi shoo and welcome to the Forum.

I totally agree with you that they are both wrong and both right in their own way.

Having pretty much disproved what Fiona and the German had to say it makes me think that as long a Cyprus' economy has good fundamentals then it will have high growth rates. End of Story! However Cyprus doesn't have good fundamentals as there are artificial barriers in many cases. The stock market crash and the criminals still at large is a sign of a fundamentally week justice system. Also, red-tape and bureaucracy are big barriers. Considering it takes 2 years to get planning/building permits for construction, how do we expect developers to keep up with demand and not eventually oversupply the market when it's down (like what happened with new offices)? There are more examples of bad fundamentals in the economy and most are caused by the government or local authorities.
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Postby fionamullen » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:32 pm

Well I am truly flattered that one article has engendered such debate! We did get a lengthy reply from someone else published in the newspaper this week, which you can still get in the kiosks until next Wednesday.
Re apples and pears, I chose the column including social security payments because it gives a better view of total labour costs for a foreign investor. There wasn’t one on corporate tax alone (remember “just one hour on the Internet”), but the other column, showing “direct taxes” (ie including personal income tax) puts Cyprus 12th out of the 24 countries covered.
Re rosy view, there was much more I could have said, but did not have the space. The main point I was making was that this guy should have backed up his claims, which are very serious.
Cyprus is only “expensive” relative to the other new member states. It is still way cheaper, especially for big items like property, labour costs, telecoms, mechanics, electricians, plumbers, cleaners etc than richer EU states. But foreigners living here tend to forget this.
Try living on a Cyprus salary in the UK--not possible! I can barely afford to go back for the odd visit: it wipes me out for months.
Some of the services are also far superior to anything I experienced in “more advanced” UK. Compare Cyta/Cytanet’s excellent call-up service to the call-centre, “can’t do it because of the computer problem” services I still battle with in the UK. I think this could be a cultural advantage which Cypriot services can make the most of.
Re car prices, one could get a more exact answer about where Cyprus lies, but it would mean trawling through hundreds and hundreds of car prices published by the Commission (only in PDF format). It’s on the Commission website under Competition if you want to try. I went through checking if Cyprus was the most expensive or the second most expensive in each case and found that it wasn’t. As I said, my impression was that it was somewhere in the middle.
Re standard of English, one thing I had to cut out, because the article was already over-length, was that in my personal pre-Cyprus experience, dealing with around 12 ministries and government departments from as far apart as Iceland in the north-west to Bulgaria in the south-east, I found that (Greek) Cypriots had the highest level of English of all of them (excluding Ireland, for obvious reasons). It’s one of the reasons why after 4 years in Cyprus, my Greek is not as good as my German was after living there just one year.
The bureaucrats are also much more willing to give information than the Swiss, for example, who always wanted some proof of identity first.
I have never set up a business, but I know from friends that it is much faster here than in Greece, at least. On the other hand, I waited a year and a half for a work permit pre EU entry, so I know what you mean about red tape...
So yes, Cyprus still has some way to go in proving to foreign investors that it really wants them and yes, the 10% corporate tax is not the whole story, but one shouldn’t slam the apsects of Cyprus that actually give it a competitive advantage.
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Postby devil » Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:02 pm

Welcome to this forum, Fiona. To put it in perspective, I first lived in this island 1952-53 and some times since, having retired here 7+ years ago, so I know it well under UK colonialism, as well as pre- and post-1974. There is only one time when I may have invested here as a businessman, 1960-63. Didn't have any wherewithal to invest, then. :( In 1969, my erstwhile employer in Switzerland was considering setting up a subsidiary factory in the "outskirts" of Europe, to employ ~100 persons in a high tech industry. We wrote down a list of possible candidates which included Cyprus and then struck off those that were negative, to leave a shortlist of 4 (Portugal, Spain, Italy and Malta). Cyprus did not even make it to the shortlist: contributory to this was the fact that we had written to various government departments for information about setting up a plant and obtained no useful replies (not quite true, we received one, but it was three months after we closed the shortlist!).

I take you up on one of your statements, though:
The bureaucrats are also much more willing to give information than the Swiss, for example, who always wanted some proof of identity first.

I don't know what you mean. I lived, as an alien, in Switzerland for 35 years and ran my own business for 25 of them, including working closely with the Swiss Government, from whom we obtained some very lucrative contracts. I cannot remember a single occasion when the bureaucracy created any obstacles. In fact, I would say that it is the least bureaucratic of all countries I've lived and worked in. I've conducted oral contracts of hundreds of thousands of francs with the only paperwork being the invoice at the end and the notification of its payment on the 30th day by my bank. I've ordered material by phone from companies I had previously never had any dealings with and received the goods with the invoice the following day (try that in the UK!!!). It is a country that runs very largely on trust, a rare commodity elsewhere, today. The only negative criticism I could make of the bureaucracy was that they often charged anything between CHF 5 and 50, not to obtain information, but simply to submit a form, an application, a change of address etc.

Other than a little in bank accounts, I have none of my investments in this country (or anywhere else in the EU, for that matter) and I have no intention of changing that. On 2 or 3 occasions, I have proposed a business relationship with others. In one case, we founded a company (which still bears my initial in the name), along with two Cypriots but I withdrew in less than a year, with my 1/3rd investment, because I did not like all the delays in getting things done. I suppose I have invested here, in that I theoretically own the property I live in, cash on the nail, but I still haven't received the deeds, after 8 years. Do you think that anyone building a factory or offices would tolerate waiting 8 years before receiving the deeds? They could not even legally put it on their balance sheet as immoveable property.

As for language, yes, a large proportion of the middle classes speak reasonably good English but, if you want to set up a factory, it will be the exception to find even skilled workers with a good (or any) command of English or any other language, other than Greek. This is particularly prevalent amongst the 25-40 age range when anything resembling English in schools was politically incorrect.

Much as I like Cyprus and the Cypriots, I would never, as a businessman, invest here without an extremely watertight business plan covering all the vices and vicissitudes that could befall the unwary.
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Postby fionamullen » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:31 pm

Dear Devil
OK, I stand corrected. Actually I am not surprised that there are problems in manufacturing. That's one area where I wouldn't try to defend Cyprus' competitiveness. A few medicines and a few chunks of halloumi are the only things that have grown in this sector these past few years.
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