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Re: Send back the Parthenon Marbles

Postby supporttheunderdog » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:36 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:On the marbles as I said back in late 2010 The issue to me is did Elgin acquire the marbles with a legitimate purchase or under some other genuine lawful arrangement with the then acknowledged legal owners, the Ottoman authorities: if the answer is no, then from both a legal and moral POV the marbles should be returned: if the answer is yes, and Elgin properly acquired legal title (and I am quite happy to agree some of the evidence suggests he did not) then from a legal POV (but not necessarily a moral POV) there is no obligation on the British Government to return them.



Such logic! :roll: We can now say goodbye forever to all those icons and religious relics which the Turks have sold off after pilferaging the occupied Churches.

- Your continuing undying support of the ways and means of fascist Imperialist invaders is most 'commendable'.


Look bonny lass and read all of what I said about the current complete illegitamacy of the illegal occuption regime. I have consistently condemned the continuing illegal occuptaion by Turkey, the illegal transfer of property lawfully owned by refugees to Settlers and carpetb*ggers, the desecration of churches, etc, so wind your neck in, bonny lass. With a comment like that you risk becoming a troll!
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Re: Send back the Parthenon Marbles

Postby kimon07 » Wed Jun 13, 2012 10:16 am

Kikapu wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:On the marbles as I said back in late 2010 The issue to me is did Elgin acquire the marbles with a legitimate purchase or under some other genuine lawful arrangement with the then acknowledged legal owners, the Ottoman authorities: if the answer is no, then from both a legal and moral POV the marbles should be returned: if the answer is yes, and Elgin properly acquired legal title (and I am quite happy to agree some of the evidence suggests he did not) then from a legal POV (but not necessarily a moral POV) there is no obligation on the British Government to return them.


Can you really say that the Ottoman authorities were the legal owners of the marbles at that time.?

If yes, then is that not the same as saying Turkey is now the lagal owners of everything in the north?


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Re: Send back the Parthenon Marbles

Postby supporttheunderdog » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:05 am

kimon07 wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
supporttheunderdog wrote:On the marbles as I said back in late 2010 The issue to me is did Elgin acquire the marbles with a legitimate purchase or under some other genuine lawful arrangement with the then acknowledged legal owners, the Ottoman authorities: if the answer is no, then from both a legal and moral POV the marbles should be returned: if the answer is yes, and Elgin properly acquired legal title (and I am quite happy to agree some of the evidence suggests he did not) then from a legal POV (but not necessarily a moral POV) there is no obligation on the British Government to return them.


Can you really say that the Ottoman authorities were the legal owners of the marbles at that time.?

If yes, then is that not the same as saying Turkey is now the lagal owners of everything in the north?


Good Question!!


Both questons already answered.
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