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[Hermes]

We are willing to give up the TRNC for a constituent state but the GC will not give up the "RoC" for a constituent state.

You're really confused about this. The bi-zonal aspect of a reunification plan does not mean a two-state confederation, but rather means reunifying the Turkish-Cypriots with the original and legitimate government of the island - the Republic of Cyprus - which would offer a fair and viable federal administration.

The dissolution of the ROC is therefore not on the agenda. You will be giving up the 'trnc' for a local administration or zone. And you will be re-integrated into the new federal republic of Cyprus (or whatever it will be called). You are not being offered your own nation. But a small semi-autonomous zone within a federal ROC.

It would be a bit like California and Rhode Island being the only two 'states' in the USA. Guess which one is yours?

There are legitimate questions about whether TCs would be better off under a unitary state rather than a federal one but at the moment the UN is committed to a federal solution so that is the only game in town...

[Viewpoint]

Herpees you do not want to understand that we have accepted what you suggest but its you that are against us administering our own piece of Cyprus and the word state frightens you to death, time you realized that itsnot us blocking the path to a solution but no other than yourselves.

[Me Ed]

VP,

more detail on how the TCs view the functioning of these two states/constituencies/zones is required.

Whilst it's evident that TCs put value on security and rights, you need to understand that the GCs do not want to see the creation of a TC zone where the political structure can be used as a roadmap to partition.

[Hermes]

Herpees you do not want to understand that we have accepted what you suggest but its you that are against us administering our own piece of Cyprus and the word state frightens you to death, time you realized that itsnot us blocking the path to a solution but no other than yourselves.

Oh, please! No-one is against you administering your own area under a unified federal state. The issue is why Turkey and its puppet Eroglu are insisting on a confederal solution with derogations and limited return of territory and property to GC refugees. Why are you so opposed to a federal solution under the EU? Why is Eroglu refusing to contemplate the return of the majority of illegal settlers? Why are you so opposed to returning land to the GCs if all you want is to administer yourselves?

The truth is that local administration is not what you want. You want to set up a Turkish client state in the north with a weak federal government that you would have veto rights over. This is a disaster of a solution and would merely create more conflict along ethnic lines. The only viable solution is a strong unified federal state with full democratic rights under the EU. But you are opposed as this doesn't serve Turkey's or your own partitionist interests. So please don't tell us that we are blocking a solution. This is stupid and cynical nonsense.

[Kikapu]

Herpees you do not want to understand that we have accepted what you suggest but its you that are against us administering our own piece of Cyprus and the word state frightens you to death, time you realized that itsnot us blocking the path to a solution but no other than yourselves.

Lets cut to the chase with you VP. Do you support a True Federation with states and all, just like in the USA. In another words, would you support a USA style of True Federation with just 2 states rather than the 50 what the USA has under a Federal Government?

Enough with your BS already. Just a simple answer will do, a YES or a NO.

[Viewpoint]

Herpees you do not want to understand that we have accepted what you suggest but its you that are against us administering our own piece of Cyprus and the word state frightens you to death, time you realized that itsnot us blocking the path to a solution but no other than yourselves.

Lets cut to the chase with you VP. Do you support a True Federation with states and all, just like in the USA. In another words, would you support a USA style of True Federation with just 2 states rather than the 50 what the USA has under a Federal Government?

Enough with your BS already. Just a simple answer will do, a YES or a NO.

The poision is in the small print and I nearly fell for your sell out plan before so the conditions under which a solution would be agreed are the deciding factor.

[Kikapu]

Herpees you do not want to understand that we have accepted what you suggest but its you that are against us administering our own piece of Cyprus and the word state frightens you to death, time you realized that itsnot us blocking the path to a solution but no other than yourselves.

Lets cut to the chase with you VP. Do you support a True Federation with states and all, just like in the USA. In another words, would you support a USA style of True Federation with just 2 states rather than the 50 what the USA has under a Federal Government?

Enough with your BS already. Just a simple answer will do, a YES or a NO.

The poision is in the small print and I nearly fell for your sell out plan before so the conditions under which a solution would be agreed are the deciding factor.

I do not have "small prints" in my posts. Everything I write is in the open and in your face!

So the answer is a "NO", therefore you are just pissing in the wind with your windup 2 state solution crap. What you want is to give Cyprus to Turkey which is not going to happen and the 2004 referendum made sure of that, and now with Cyprus being in the EU, hell will freeze over first before you will be given another chance to have a"solution" that resembles anything like the AP, which is what you want and not what Cyprus wants in a BBF. At the rate you are going, you are going to lose your chance with BBF also, and all that you will be left with, is a Unitary state EU style!

[Viewpoint]

But we will never lose 37% of the island thats a real kick in your nuts isnt it Kikapooooo. We back a BBf with political equality of the 2 states as put forward by the UN. What you support is minority rights for TCs in a GC unitary state, well we aint buying it.

[repulsewarrior]

repulse as you know i have great difficulty understanding your english but here goes:

We TCs agreed a constituent state its the GCs who rejected it you cannot ignore this fact and say that I should not bring it up that wont make it go away.

Next the other ethnic groups in Cyprus they have no say as they never fought with us against giving Cyprus to Greece they conceded from day one and threw their lot in with the GCs so that have no rights in 2012 as we have because we are still standing firm, so its about time you ditched this constituents state for all ethnics groups if that's the case then the Filipino workers should also have their own area.

We are willing to give up the TRNC for a constituent state but the GC will not give up the "RoC" for a constituent state.

not all Greeks want annexation to Greece, not all Turkish speaking people in Cyprus want annexation to Turkey. More importantly, i think, is what is right. in that regard what was done by the other minorities, or even the two principal adversaries, does not come into the discussion of a way forward. your constituency may be the the ones to demonstrate the thinking all Cypriots need to end the impasse, but first it is necessary to overcome the thinking which brought us here in the first place.

...if in about 2 or 3 hundred years, Filipinos also sustain a living Heritance, they too may want to have the same Liberty of sustaining it through self-representation. as for Maronites and Armenians, because they are not "Turkish" they are "Greek"; does this sound fair, does that sound reasonable to you?

vp, i come from a "mixed" village, i have in the past made light of this description, because in essence i cannot make the simple generalisation in the context of how this debate has framed, i did not live as a "Greek", the Turkish in my village did not live as "Turks", we lived and worked together as village dwellers, a self sustaining unit with this as our unique identity. to me i see an elite which seeks to maintain their power over the Rights of all Individuals seeking to choose for themselves the Happiness others will enjoy; it is the choice to try and keep the things the way they are, Cypriots as subjects, as though change can be resisted and the desire for Freedom can be denied because the interlocutors offer some Liberty. as for the Forum members on the other side, if you will, they too need to get their heads around the debate; a Greek Constituency must exist, so that a Turkish Constituency can exist, and to be Free, there must also exist our representation as a People, a Republic of Cyprus, which is without distinction or discrimination when it comes to defending (or bettering) the Rights of its Citizens.

frankly, i am not suggesting that you give up Turkishness, or that you should not bring it up, i suggest that you be more clear. demand a Republic that is free from the bias which damages the Republic's credibility as a representative of its Citizens as Cypriots, not as a majority of Greeks that offer some recognition to the minorities which live as Cypriots as well, a Cypriot State, not a Greek State, demand a Greek Constituency because you care for Cyprus.

[Viewpoint]

respulse you are going around in circles...we TCs have accepted a constituent state, its the GCs that have not shouldnt you be trying to persuade them not us? As for the other ethnic groups they accepted minority rights we didnt so they lost the battle and sided with GCs, you cannot have it both ways.

Now can you say something to the GCs about dissolving the "RoC" for a constituent state like our and naming the whole country under a federal structure United Cyprus.