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Re: Who killed the children in the Bath?

Postby Lordo » Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:39 pm

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Lordo wrote:My friends perhaps you should be looking a little more in detail on the day concerned. On the day Kumsal was attacked so was Omorphites.

550 people from Omorphites and 150 people from Kumsal was taken to Kykkos school. Few days later when the Turkish Cypriots were released in exchange for 29 Greek Cypriots only 550 were released. One must ask the following questions:
1. How did TMT attack and kill 8 people in a room when Kumsal was flooded with EOKA men.
2. Secondly What happened to the other 150 people that never returned.
3. 21 people were also murdered in Ayos Vasilios in the same night
4. 21 patients were also killed the same night in Nicosia Hospital.

Whilst TMT were trying to defend the Omorphita Turkish Cypriots from the attack by ELDYK and Sampson's murderers, that had had the foresight to go amongst these murderers and kill 8 people?

You are more deranged then I could ever think possible.


So you did not answer my questions, but instead went on about other issues. By the way, 9 members of my family, including myself, were amongst those at the Kykkos school (as if you didn't already know), and all those who were at the Kykkos school returned back safely after one week, so cut the crap and answer the questions I put forward.


Who did what to the bodies after their murder is not in question here. Who murdered them is. But if you were there perhaps you can confirm how many were released. There were 550 from Omorfitas and 150 from Kumsal. Is this figure correct as well as the figure of 550 released. What happened to 150 that were never returned?
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Re: Who killed the children in the Bath?

Postby Kikapu » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:19 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Lordo wrote:My friends perhaps you should be looking a little more in detail on the day concerned. On the day Kumsal was attacked so was Omorphites.

550 people from Omorphites and 150 people from Kumsal was taken to Kykkos school. Few days later when the Turkish Cypriots were released in exchange for 29 Greek Cypriots only 550 were released. One must ask the following questions:
1. How did TMT attack and kill 8 people in a room when Kumsal was flooded with EOKA men.
2. Secondly What happened to the other 150 people that never returned.
3. 21 people were also murdered in Ayos Vasilios in the same night
4. 21 patients were also killed the same night in Nicosia Hospital.

Whilst TMT were trying to defend the Omorphita Turkish Cypriots from the attack by ELDYK and Sampson's murderers, that had had the foresight to go amongst these murderers and kill 8 people?

You are more deranged then I could ever think possible.


So you did not answer my questions, but instead went on about other issues. By the way, 9 members of my family, including myself, were amongst those at the Kykkos school (as if you didn't already know), and all those who were at the Kykkos school returned back safely after one week, so cut the crap and answer the questions I put forward.


Lordo wrote:Who did what to the bodies after their murder is not in question here. Who murdered them is.


So you agree then, that they were not murdered in the bathtub, right?

Actually, they are both important. In order to solve a murder, you need to solve 3 things, which are;

1. Motive
2. Opportunity
3. Means


Without solving these three items, you are really left in the dark.

Motive is the one that troubles me the most, and the fact that the bodies were moved into the bathtub to be photographed for shock effect, then you need to ask the question who would benefit the most from these pictures. Once you have solved that question, then it can perhaps lead to who may have murdered them, or was it the case of taking advantage of the dead bodies someone else left behind and that they were used for propaganda purposes. Which ever way you look at it, no one comes away with clean hands in this.


Lordo wrote:But if you were there perhaps you can confirm how many were released. There were 550 from Omorfitas and 150 from Kumsal. Is this figure correct as well as the figure of 550 released. What happened to 150 that were never returned?


Yes, I was there at age 8 years old. Don't act so suprised!

I always thought that there were 700 hundred at the Kykkos school. But regardless what the actual numbers were, all I can tell you is, ALL those who were at the Kykkos school were released and ALL at the same time. There were never a question anyone who were at the school with us not returning. I actually talked to my mother about this last time this topic was on the forum, and she did say, that a GC personnel at the school told them the soldiers were going to only release the women and the children but they were going to keep the men and for the women not to leave without their men, and sure enough, when the time came to be released, they wanted to only release the women and the children and the women refuse to leave without the men. Within a short time, ALL the men were released with the rest. My cousin who was 17 or so was kept with the men, because I use to go and visit him everyday during captivity sent by my mother to make sure he was OK, and he was released, which means ALL the men were released. That's not to say men kept at other facilities away from Kykkos school were never returned. I'm ONLY talking about Kykkos school.
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Re: Who killed the children in the Bath?

Postby kimon07 » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:56 pm

What a fresh subject indeed. You are full of Surprises Lordo :lol: :lol: :lol:

Indicative of your IQ I suppose?

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P.S. Just the fact that you are involving ELDYK in attacks and atrocities against TCs is just about enough to make your claims a laughing stock. But I suppose its credible enough for your Anatolian brothers who's IQ is the same as yours.

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Re: Who killed the children in the Bath?

Postby Lordo » Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:59 pm

Thanks for confirming the 700 figure. It is also on the record that they released only 550 prisoners in exchange for 29 Greek Cypriot prisoers. The question is what happened to 150 people.

Were you actually aware at the time that 150 people in that school were from Kumsal?
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Re: Who killed the children in the Bath?

Postby Lordo » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:01 am

kimon07 wrote:What a fresh subject indeed. You are full of Surprises Lordo :lol: :lol: :lol:

Indicative of your IQ I suppose?

cyprus10093.html

P.S. Just the fact that you are involving ELDYK in attacks and atrocities against TCs is just about enough to make your claims a laughing stock. But I suppose its credible enough for your Anatolian brothers who's IQ is the same as yours.

Cheers.

Turkish Cypriots could hear them talking while they were firing bazookas at Turkish Cypriot positions in Omorphitas Baby. Now go suck a dummy. Theres a good boy.

Always assuming you can tell thew difference between a Cypriot and a Kalamara even from a hundred yards.
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Re: Who killed the children in the Bath?

Postby kimon07 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:28 am

Here is a "fresh answer" from me Lordo to your very "fresh as the thread" :lol: :lol:

kimon07 wrote:Did you know of this Bill?
cyprus37644-40.html

More information from AFRIKA on the bathroom massacre incident.

Turkish Cypriot daily AFRIKA newspaper (28.02.07) reports in its first page that there is new information on the issue of the bathroom massacre incident. (TR. Note: The incident took place in 1963, where a Turkish Cypriot family was found dead in the bathroom of its house. The Turkish Cypriot side supports that the family was killed by Greek Cypriot guerrillas).

AFRIKAs columnist Sener Levent reports, inter alia, in his daily Column Point of View that there is the need to clarify this issue. Mr Levent goes on and writes that the paper received two more pieces of information on this issue yesterday: The first one is related to Hasan Kudum who was hurt during the bathroom massacre incident but he did not lose his life. Asked by his friends if those who came to kill them spoke between them Greek or Turkish, Hasan Kudum stated: There were persons who spoke Greek and there were persons who spoke Turkish.

The second information is related to a person who was known under the name Bozkurt (Grey wolf) and later it was found out that his real name was Kenan Coskun. Nihat Ilhan, whose wife and three children were killed in the incident, went to Kenan Coskun and asked him: Has the organisation killed my family in order to secure the intervention of Turkey in the island?. The answer given by Kenan Coskun and bothered Nihat Ilhan was the following: Go and take revenge. He did not tell him from where to take revenge, writes Sener Levent.


and
Family-in-bath officer returns to Cyprus 24 March 2007

RETIRED Turkish army brigadier Nihat Ilhan whose entire family was found dead in a bathtub in the Turkish quarter of Nicosia in December 1963, returned to Cyprus for the first time after the incident this week.

He was invited to the celebrations on the Moslem Day of the Martyrs in the occupied areas, where the house in which the murder took place has been turned into a “Museum of Barbarism.”

Turkish propaganda has blamed the Greek Cypriots for the brutal murder of Ilhan’s wife and three small children, but there has since been mounting evidence that he might have done it himself in a fit of insanity.

After that, Ilhan was transferred to an army unit in Anatolia where he remarried.

Turkish Cypriot publisher and columnist Sener Levent in a series of recent articles leaves open the question of foul play, while General Bedrettin Demirel, who led the Turkish invasion forces in Cyprus in 1974, states in his diaries that the dead children and their mother were deliberately placed in the bathtub and photographed for propaganda purposes.

During his visit Ilhan appeared annoyed at the controversy surrounding the death of his first family.

He also met Costas Yennaris, a Greek Cypriot journalist who published a confession by a Turkish photographer corroborating the propaganda exploitation of the incident.
Ilhan asked Yennaris for an apology, which the latter refused.

Yennaris said he was surprised at the impassioned attitude shown by Ilhan in being present at the scene of his family’s tragedy after so many years.
Ilhan, now 84, came to the occupied north of the island accompanied by members of his new family.


P.S. There is no doubt in my mind that you will come back on this topic again after 2-3 months from now. Oh how I understand you. It must be tormenting and frustrating not to be able to talk about any progress of your Community, any positive achievements, any steps forward to the 21st century and just have to come back to the good old horror myths of the past isn't it Lordo?
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Re: Who killed the children in the Bath?

Postby kimon07 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:36 am

Oh and Lordo! Don't think of repeating this stupid question of yours:

Who would be so sick as to murder family members?


Because I will react with the same answer as last April:

Girl under police protection murdered by brothers
http://www.todayszaman.com/news-267099- ... thers.html

29 December 2011 / TODAY'S ZAMAN WITH WIRES, İSTANBUL
In the latest incidence of domestic violence to shake Turkey, 21-year-old Hacer Akçal returned to her home in the Kahta district of Adıyaman province on Wednesday under police protection to collect personal belongings and was stabbed to death by her two brothers.
According to a written statement from Adıyaman Mayor Ramazan Sodan, the incident dates back to September when Akçal ran away from home, the Anatolia news agency reported. Following her disappearance on Sept. 16, Akçal's family immediately reported her absence to the police, whereupon search teams were dispatched to find the 21-year-old. She was discovered in the nearby town of Şanlıurfa and returned to her family the next day.
On Wednesday, Akçal went to the police, reporting that she had just escaped from her bedroom where her family had kept her locked up since she had been escorted back home in September by the police. The 21-year-old also reported that members of her family frequently beat her and threatened to kill her if she left the house. By her own request, Akçal was brought to the provincial directorate of the Family and Social Policy Ministry, where police were instructed to provide the girl with protection and accompany her to her family home to gather her belongings.
As soon as Akçal arrived, a fight broke out between her and her father, Osman, and two brothers, 23-year-old Üzeyir and 17-year-old Mehmet. In the commotion that ensued, Akçal was stabbed three times in the chest and stomach. She later died at Kahta State Hospital. Her father and two brothers, both of whom had a knife in their hand, were arrested at the scene of the crime.
In another sobering case of domestic violence in Turkey, it has emerged that S.F., a 15-year-old girl who became pregnant after being subjected to a gang rape in April and was married off to the main perpetrator of the incident, 33-year-old İ.B., was admitted to Karşıyaka State Hospital in İzmir on Tuesday night after being beaten by her husband. İ.B. was taken into custody after the hospital informed police of S.F.'s age, but he was released pending charges.

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Re: Who killed the children in the Bath?

Postby Kikapu » Fri Jul 20, 2012 5:00 am

Lordo wrote:Thanks for confirming the 700 figure. It is also on the record that they released only 550 prisoners in exchange for 29 Greek Cypriot prisoers. The question is what happened to 150 people.

Were you actually aware at the time that 150 people in that school were from Kumsal?


I was not confirming the 700 numbers. I said that was my belief. You are still avoiding the answer I gave you and trying to change it. Don't do that. Let me say it again, that ALL those who were at the Kykkos school, they were ALL returned after one week. Anyone who did not return ever, were not at the Kykkos school, like the husband of my newly wed cousin, who was taken away the night before we were taken away. He was not at the school with us, otherwise I would have seen him. Those that were never returned were never at the Kykkos school.

But now you are changing the subject, aren't you.? Lets stick to the "bathtub murders" and what I've said on previous post. After all, it's your own topic, is it not?
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Re: Who killed the children in the Bath?

Postby Lordo » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:38 pm

How am I changing the subject.
150 EOKA men ransacked Kumsal that night.
They also killed 21 civilians in Ayos Vasilios
Another 21 patients killed in Hospital.
150 Kumsalites were taken prisoner
550 Omorpidites also taken prioser

all within a few miles of each other. No TMT in the region. TMT managaed to get in there after the murders to save the people that survived that night. And here you are blaming the TMT for their actions. On the other hand one of your mates blames the father even though he was not even there.

How many children has TMT killed? And how many children EOKA killed?
How can any human pick up a sick person from his hospital bed and kill them?
Are you serious that there is no chance EOKA killed these people?
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Re: Who killed the children in the Bath?

Postby B25 » Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:04 pm

Lordo wrote:How can any human pick up a sick person from his hospital bed and kill them


You should be asking the dogs that beat Issac to death, arsehole.
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