Cyprus-Forum.com

[kentish]

...interesting vp, i think we are all agreed on question one; are you kentish able to agree with the same question?

...are you suggesting that there are as Constituencies only Greeks and Turks? i am suggesting that there are many Living Relics to sustain; why not?

...if possible, indeed, and where it proves a benefit to the general prosperity of all Cypriots (question 3). Kikapu, the return of Individual Rights is unquestionable, and your examples are valid, however my question is more focused on the Rights as Persons, how we can demonstrate to ourselves our errors, thus, for some they will return as they left, not just as Individuals, but as whole communities.

...@kentish, of course; what are you getting at? and, i'll add, if Cypriots are now living on State land, should they get to keep it?

its obvious what i am getting at.are you a complete retard and blinded by greed and prejudice and cannot see past stupid idealogy. since 1974 many people from both sides have been displaced and made a new life for themselves elsewhere. this elsewhere has worked for them and they have property in replacement for property they have lost. look at the practicalities

you fool. if you suddenly give back a property or land to someone that lost it in 1974 how can they expect to retain what they have been using since. it is not possible is it. game over . get on with your sad lives. we now have two separate countries like it or not.

[Kikapu]

...interesting vp, i think we are all agreed on question one; are you kentish able to agree with the same question?

...are you suggesting that there are as Constituencies only Greeks and Turks? i am suggesting that there are many Living Relics to sustain; why not?

...if possible, indeed, and where it proves a benefit to the general prosperity of all Cypriots (question 3). Kikapu, the return of Individual Rights is unquestionable, and your examples are valid, however my question is more focused on the Rights as Persons, how we can demonstrate to ourselves our errors, thus, for some they will return as they left, not just as Individuals, but as whole communities.

...@kentish, of course; what are you getting at? and, i'll add, if Cypriots are now living on State land, should they get to keep it?

How do you propose we give back land which has been developed to a degree of very high value...the refugee will get compensation at the going rate end of story.

That's why they have courts to decide on the property matters.

Oh, I have forgotten, they have decided already, that the original owners still own their properties!

If some fool developed on land that did not belong to them, all I can say is, tough shit, and the original owner just got lucky with his land to be worth a whole lot more than when he was forced to leave it behind during the Turkish Invasion, because some fool spent a lot of money on his land. I'm sure the original owner will give the fool a 25 years lease, annual rent to be about 10% of the property's value plus back rent from the time the land was developed. The fool will be fcuked, coming and going!

[repulsewarrior]

...the topic is about two Cypriot Heros. the topic is about their brave commitment to a way of life where there is respect for each other and to their land as its stewards. as usual we are confronted with the hatred and intoleramce of the few who feel they are entitled to dismiss the finer aspects of Human Dignity so that they can enjoy their lives in Ignorance.

shameful.

[Viewpoint]

...interesting vp, i think we are all agreed on question one; are you kentish able to agree with the same question?

...are you suggesting that there are as Constituencies only Greeks and Turks? i am suggesting that there are many Living Relics to sustain; why not?

...if possible, indeed, and where it proves a benefit to the general prosperity of all Cypriots (question 3). Kikapu, the return of Individual Rights is unquestionable, and your examples are valid, however my question is more focused on the Rights as Persons, how we can demonstrate to ourselves our errors, thus, for some they will return as they left, not just as Individuals, but as whole communities.

...@kentish, of course; what are you getting at? and, i'll add, if Cypriots are now living on State land, should they get to keep it?

How do you propose we give back land which has been developed to a degree of very high value...the refugee will get compensation at the going rate end of story.

That's why they have courts to decide on the property matters.

Oh, I have forgotten, they have decided already, that the original owners still own their properties!

If some fool developed on land that did not belong to them, all I can say is, tough shit, and the original owner just got lucky with his land to be worth a whole lot more than when he was forced to leave it behind during the Turkish Invasion, because some fool spent a lot of money on his land. I'm sure the original owner will give the fool a 25 years lease, annual rent to be about 10% of the property's value plus back rent from the time the land was developed. The fool will be fcuked, coming and going!

The original owner will get compensated in some way either with money or alternative land choices north or land of equal value. This is the only way forward otherwise your approach of fucking and abusing the current owner will create mayhem and no desire to unite.

[kentish]

...interesting vp, i think we are all agreed on question one; are you kentish able to agree with the same question?

...are you suggesting that there are as Constituencies only Greeks and Turks? i am suggesting that there are many Living Relics to sustain; why not?

...if possible, indeed, and where it proves a benefit to the general prosperity of all Cypriots (question 3). Kikapu, the return of Individual Rights is unquestionable, and your examples are valid, however my question is more focused on the Rights as Persons, how we can demonstrate to ourselves our errors, thus, for some they will return as they left, not just as Individuals, but as whole communities.

...@kentish, of course; what are you getting at? and, i'll add, if Cypriots are now living on State land, should they get to keep it?

How do you propose we give back land which has been developed to a degree of very high value...the refugee will get compensation at the going rate end of story.

That's why they have courts to decide on the property matters.

Oh, I have forgotten, they have decided already, that the original owners still own their properties!

If some fool developed on land that did not belong to them, all I can say is, tough shit, and the original owner just got lucky with his land to be worth a whole lot more than when he was forced to leave it behind during the Turkish Invasion, because some fool spent a lot of money on his land. I'm sure the original owner will give the fool a 25 years lease, annual rent to be about 10% of the property's value plus back rent from the time the land was developed. The fool will be fcuked, coming and going!

thank god for the courts, they are so clever.practilicalities. they have done so well up to now. every year makes the solution less lilkely. only two smiliies,you are slipping greekster

[Kikapu]

...interesting vp, i think we are all agreed on question one; are you kentish able to agree with the same question?

...are you suggesting that there are as Constituencies only Greeks and Turks? i am suggesting that there are many Living Relics to sustain; why not?

...if possible, indeed, and where it proves a benefit to the general prosperity of all Cypriots (question 3). Kikapu, the return of Individual Rights is unquestionable, and your examples are valid, however my question is more focused on the Rights as Persons, how we can demonstrate to ourselves our errors, thus, for some they will return as they left, not just as Individuals, but as whole communities.

...@kentish, of course; what are you getting at? and, i'll add, if Cypriots are now living on State land, should they get to keep it?

How do you propose we give back land which has been developed to a degree of very high value...the refugee will get compensation at the going rate end of story.

That's why they have courts to decide on the property matters.

Oh, I have forgotten, they have decided already, that the original owners still own their properties!

If some fool developed on land that did not belong to them, all I can say is, tough shit, and the original owner just got lucky with his land to be worth a whole lot more than when he was forced to leave it behind during the Turkish Invasion, because some fool spent a lot of money on his land. I'm sure the original owner will give the fool a 25 years lease, annual rent to be about 10% of the property's value plus back rent from the time the land was developed. The fool will be fcuked, coming and going!

The original owner will get compensated in some way either with money or alternative land choices north or land of equal value. This is the only way forward otherwise your approach of fucking and abusing the current owner will create mayhem and no desire to unite.

There is a flaw in your thinking when it comes to compensating the original owners with either money or another piece of land of equal value, to be in the north or the south, for the simple reasons, is that the TCs do not have the money to pay for the land nor do they have enough land to make the exchanges with. Sure this can be done in what you are suggesting in small number of cases and I have already stated that earlier, that if an agreements can be reached between each party on free will bases, then so be it, but in overwhelming situations, the TCs will not be able to meet the criteria you are suggesting, and this is after the TCs relinquish 50% of the north to the GCs. Once a settlement is agreed on, you will see land values to become equal almost immediately on a like for like basis and not the lopsided values that are today due to the divide. You cannot say, that the TC land in the south are as equal value to the GC land in the north, despite being at 80%-20% in the GCs favour of land ownership. You cannot profit from the "Spoils of War" and say, "lets swipe the slate clean where 80-20 is of equal value from now on". Then you are really not bringing the GCs aboard to reach a settlement. The desires for a settlement is a two way street and you can't fcuk the one over the other to do so, specially when the law is on the side of the one you want to be fcuked the most!

[Viewpoint]

You are yet again showing us all not only your ignorance but your perverted sexual inuendos reflect the real underlying problem you suffer from, why not try and post with using profane language otherwise we to will have to swoop down to your level and respond in kind or even worse.

If the compensation route is to be taken the funds and criteria of payment will have to be made available to all those who decide to take this route and this will be supported by the big players who want to see a solution in Cyprus. As for the other obstacle you raise about the imbalance of land between the north and south, well after handing back 8% and allowing right to return the remaining percentage will have been reduced considerably therefore whatever land is left can be exchanges between agreeing parties and the rest will have to accept compensation..where theres a will theres a way but you of course only have the GC stance at heart and will shoot everything down now matter whats offered.

[Kikapu]

You are yet again showing us all not only your ignorance but your perverted sexual inuendos reflect the real underlying problem you suffer from, why not try and post with using profane language otherwise we to will have to swoop down to your level and respond in kind or even worse.

If the compensation route is to be taken the funds and criteria of payment will have to be made available to all those who decide to take this route and this will be supported by the big players who want to see a solution in Cyprus. As for the other obstacle you raise about the imbalance of land between the north and south, well after handing back 8% and allowing right to return the remaining percentage will have been reduced considerably therefore whatever land is left can be exchanges between agreeing parties and the rest will have to accept compensation..where theres a will theres a way but you of course only have the GC stance at heart and will shoot everything down now matter whats offered.

Before you start getting too far ahead of yourself, you need to do these things first before a settlement is remotely possible.

1. You need to return back 50% of the north to the GCs.

2. Return vast majority of the Illegal Alien settlers back to their roots as well as the "root" itself.

3. Find the Billions needed to issue compensation to those who want them.

4. Guarantee every ones Democratic and Human Rights who will choose to live in the north with you.

Once you have done the above, I have few more for you to do. I don't want to overburden with you with everything all at once!

[Viewpoint]

Now lwt address your points one by one;

1.Why? with a right to return and for the sake of compromise lets say we return 12%.

2.Criteria being that of the EU on settlers.

3.Turkey UK and Greece can start the fund rolling with other donations from the EU.

4.Agreed.

Now do you accept that compensation combined with a right to return where physically possible or limited land exchange?

[repulsewarrior]

...interesting vp, i think we are all agreed on question one; are you kentish able to agree with the same question?

...are you suggesting that there are as Constituencies only Greeks and Turks? i am suggesting that there are many Living Relics to sustain; why not?

...if possible, indeed, and where it proves a benefit to the general prosperity of all Cypriots (question 3). Kikapu, the return of Individual Rights is unquestionable, and your examples are valid, however my question is more focused on the Rights as Persons, how we can demonstrate to ourselves our errors, thus, for some they will return as they left, not just as Individuals, but as whole communities.

...@kentish, of course; what are you getting at? and, i'll add, if Cypriots are now living on State land, should they get to keep it?

How do you propose we give back land which has been developed to a degree of very high value...the refugee will get compensation at the going rate end of story.

That's why they have courts to decide on the property matters.

Oh, I have forgotten, they have decided already, that the original owners still own their properties!

If some fool developed on land that did not belong to them, all I can say is, tough shit, and the original owner just got lucky with his land to be worth a whole lot more than when he was forced to leave it behind during the Turkish Invasion, because some fool spent a lot of money on his land. I'm sure the original owner will give the fool a 25 years lease, annual rent to be about 10% of the property's value plus back rent from the time the land was developed. The fool will be fcuked, coming and going!

The original owner will get compensated in some way either with money or alternative land choices north or land of equal value. This is the only way forward otherwise your approach of fucking and abusing the current owner will create mayhem and no desire to unite.

...once again, those who get a "fucking and abusing" will be those exposed for the plunder they made toward their selfish gains. let's not generalise, i may be Greek, but i am no "Greek", are you a "Turk" or a Turk, do you prefer that murder is left hidden, is this Turkishness? i repeat, the enemy is within, whether you choose to look at yourself as a Person or as an Individual, and "they", our enemies who choose to remain Ignorant, will deserve their harsh judgement. we can safely say that most Cypriots will adapt because in fact, without being torn apart, they will be returning to what is natural. we are not "them", through action, this demonstration, is what the topic is about.

...of the overwhelming many, you strain vp, for carpetbaggers, and those who treat men like Petro Souppouris with so little respect; everyone as Individuals have basic Rights which as People we stand United, it is that simple, the choices we can make are endless, and in every benefit a cost.