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Re: Peace in Cyprus.

Postby Piratis » Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:38 pm

What the British (and other Europeans) have done in America and Australia is what the Turks have done to Asia Minor. This was centuries ago before the existence of any kind of international law or recognition of the human rights of all people. Just because things like slavery and racist discriminations were the norm centuries ago it doesn't mean you can do the same today.

The Kurds are a nation with a specific territory where they are the majority of the population now and for many centuries, long before the Turks occupied their lands. They are like the Scottish in Britain. The Kurds didn't "steal" Kurdistan from the Turks, just like the Scottish didn't steal Scotland from the English. Their territory belongs to them, and it should be up to them to decide if their own territory should be part of any other country or if it should be independent.

On the other hand the TCs are minority and no specific part of Cyprus belongs to them. They illegally occupy the north part of Cyprus something which they have no right to do, since this is the homeland of far more GCs for millennia.
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Re: Peace in Cyprus.

Postby Lordo » Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:24 pm

Piratis wrote:What the British (and other Europeans) have done in America and Australia is what the Turks have done to Asia Minor. This was centuries ago before the existence of any kind of international law or recognition of the human rights of all people. Just because things like slavery and racist discriminations were the norm centuries ago it doesn't mean you can do the same today.

The Kurds are a nation with a specific territory where they are the majority of the population now and for many centuries, long before the Turks occupied their lands. They are like the Scottish in Britain. The Kurds didn't "steal" Kurdistan from the Turks, just like the Scottish didn't steal Scotland from the English. Their territory belongs to them, and it should be up to them to decide if their own territory should be part of any other country or if it should be independent.

On the other hand the TCs are minority and no specific part of Cyprus belongs to them. They illegally occupy the north part of Cyprus something which they have no right to do, since this is the homeland of far more GCs for millennia.

founding nations can never be minority. piratis this is what cause 1963. you want another one. as to where the land is, it does not make blind bit of difference. just like population exchange we can also have land exchange and bobs your uncle. walla problem solved. and i tell you what if you owe us any land we'll give it to you as a gift. how does that sound.
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Re: Peace in Cyprus.

Postby Piratis » Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:43 am

Lordo wrote:
Piratis wrote:What the British (and other Europeans) have done in America and Australia is what the Turks have done to Asia Minor. This was centuries ago before the existence of any kind of international law or recognition of the human rights of all people. Just because things like slavery and racist discriminations were the norm centuries ago it doesn't mean you can do the same today.

The Kurds are a nation with a specific territory where they are the majority of the population now and for many centuries, long before the Turks occupied their lands. They are like the Scottish in Britain. The Kurds didn't "steal" Kurdistan from the Turks, just like the Scottish didn't steal Scotland from the English. Their territory belongs to them, and it should be up to them to decide if their own territory should be part of any other country or if it should be independent.

On the other hand the TCs are minority and no specific part of Cyprus belongs to them. They illegally occupy the north part of Cyprus something which they have no right to do, since this is the homeland of far more GCs for millennia.

founding nations can never be minority. piratis this is what cause 1963. you want another one. as to where the land is, it does not make blind bit of difference. just like population exchange we can also have land exchange and bobs your uncle. walla problem solved. and i tell you what if you owe us any land we'll give it to you as a gift. how does that sound.


TCs are an ethnic minority of 18% in Cyprus. Nothing can change this fact. There was no population exchange and there will never be any land exchange. If you thought that we can have peace with us surrendering to you the lands you stole from us you should forget about it. Peace can only come when our lands are returned to us and our human rights are restored.
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Re: Peace in Cyprus.

Postby Viewpoint » Sat Sep 15, 2012 3:11 pm

Piratis wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Piratis wrote:What the British (and other Europeans) have done in America and Australia is what the Turks have done to Asia Minor. This was centuries ago before the existence of any kind of international law or recognition of the human rights of all people. Just because things like slavery and racist discriminations were the norm centuries ago it doesn't mean you can do the same today.

The Kurds are a nation with a specific territory where they are the majority of the population now and for many centuries, long before the Turks occupied their lands. They are like the Scottish in Britain. The Kurds didn't "steal" Kurdistan from the Turks, just like the Scottish didn't steal Scotland from the English. Their territory belongs to them, and it should be up to them to decide if their own territory should be part of any other country or if it should be independent.

On the other hand the TCs are minority and no specific part of Cyprus belongs to them. They illegally occupy the north part of Cyprus something which they have no right to do, since this is the homeland of far more GCs for millennia.

founding nations can never be minority. piratis this is what cause 1963. you want another one. as to where the land is, it does not make blind bit of difference. just like population exchange we can also have land exchange and bobs your uncle. walla problem solved. and i tell you what if you owe us any land we'll give it to you as a gift. how does that sound.


TCs are an ethnic minority of 18% in Cyprus. Nothing can change this fact. There was no population exchange and there will never be any land exchange. If you thought that we can have peace with us surrendering to you the lands you stole from us you should forget about it. Peace can only come when our lands are returned to us and our human rights are restored.


Then its time you understood that without compromise you will never have peace.
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Re: Peace in Cyprus.

Postby Lordo » Sat Sep 15, 2012 5:42 pm

There is no compromise to be had. turish cypriots have never been and will never be a minority. minorities do not have their language as an official language in the country.

it seems to me mentality like that perhaps you were right all along vp. these guys will never learn.
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Re: Peace in Cyprus.

Postby Piratis » Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:38 pm

Instead of appreciating the fact that your minority has its language as an official language in Cyprus, you use this as a lame excuse to ask for more and more on our expense.

There are other minorities which have their language as an official language in the countries they live. Russian for example is official language in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan because of the minorities of Russian speakers that live in those countries. There are several other examples also, such as Kurdish, which is official language in Iraq, while in Turkey the 20% of Kurds that live there are not even allowed to speak their own language in public.

It is not us that need to learn. It is you that should learn some basic principles that are applied in all normal civilized democratic countries.
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Re: Peace in Cyprus.

Postby Piratis » Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:45 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Piratis wrote:
Lordo wrote:
Piratis wrote:What the British (and other Europeans) have done in America and Australia is what the Turks have done to Asia Minor. This was centuries ago before the existence of any kind of international law or recognition of the human rights of all people. Just because things like slavery and racist discriminations were the norm centuries ago it doesn't mean you can do the same today.

The Kurds are a nation with a specific territory where they are the majority of the population now and for many centuries, long before the Turks occupied their lands. They are like the Scottish in Britain. The Kurds didn't "steal" Kurdistan from the Turks, just like the Scottish didn't steal Scotland from the English. Their territory belongs to them, and it should be up to them to decide if their own territory should be part of any other country or if it should be independent.

On the other hand the TCs are minority and no specific part of Cyprus belongs to them. They illegally occupy the north part of Cyprus something which they have no right to do, since this is the homeland of far more GCs for millennia.

founding nations can never be minority. piratis this is what cause 1963. you want another one. as to where the land is, it does not make blind bit of difference. just like population exchange we can also have land exchange and bobs your uncle. walla problem solved. and i tell you what if you owe us any land we'll give it to you as a gift. how does that sound.


TCs are an ethnic minority of 18% in Cyprus. Nothing can change this fact. There was no population exchange and there will never be any land exchange. If you thought that we can have peace with us surrendering to you the lands you stole from us you should forget about it. Peace can only come when our lands are returned to us and our human rights are restored.


Then its time you understood that without compromise you will never have peace.


Peace is good, but there are things that are worth fighting for, such as freedom, democracy and human rights. Compromising those fundamental issues is out of the question. I'd rather be in war with you for the rest of my life, rather than live in "peace" with you with my human and democratic rights grossly violated.
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Re: Peace in Cyprus.

Postby Lordo » Sat Sep 15, 2012 7:42 pm

Piratis wrote:Instead of appreciating the fact that your minority has its language as an official language in Cyprus, you use this as a lame excuse to ask for more and more on our expense.

There are other minorities which have their language as an official language in the countries they live. Russian for example is official language in Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan because of the minorities of Russian speakers that live in those countries. There are several other examples also, such as Kurdish, which is official language in Iraq, while in Turkey the 20% of Kurds that live there are not even allowed to speak their own language in public.

It is not us that need to learn. It is you that should learn some basic principles that are applied in all normal civilized democratic countries.

i am glad you brought up the kurdish situation. now there is an example of single state one man one vote democracy that does not work. so what makes you think it will work here. how many kurdish villages did turkey kill all the inhabitants and buried them in mass graves. what makes you think that the turkish cypriots will ever trust you with their lives ever again. when it comes to language the reason why the ussr republics have russian as an official language is becasue the russians are also the founding nation.

when it comes to me using the language officiality to ask for more rights it is total nonsense. all the turkish cypriots want is to live in peace. judging by what has happened between 63 and 74 that can only happen under bbf. only future generations can decide how much closer to get.

but don't worry about the turkish cypriots in 5 years they will reach one million.
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Re: Peace in Cyprus.

Postby ZoC » Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:24 pm

Lordo wrote:but don't worry about the turkish cypriots in 5 years they will reach one million.


wot is it with u latriners? every nine months u gotta drop another litter of muling cabbages into this world. thunk! thunk! shit. ain't u heard of contraception?
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Re: Peace in Cyprus.

Postby repulsewarrior » Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:53 pm

wot? lordo, are you calling the TC, Kurds, and GC's, "Turks"?
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