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[Piratis]

Piratis you will do better to leave 157o behind for once and for all. water of the ducks back as it were. we don't give a shit. get it. we are cypriots and we have been cypriots for a very long time for all intense and purposes. just because your ancestors may gave been there longer makes no difference. you invaded and so did we no get over it.

now whats for luch.

If it was just about an event that happened in 1570 then nobody would even remember it today. Unfortunately 1570 was just the beginning of the problems you have caused to Cyprus. The Ottoman oppression ended in 1878, and then just 80 years later, in 1958, you started another conflict, followed by another invasion in 1974 and an occupation that continues until today. At no point you showed any kind of respect to democracy and human rights.

We can be forgiving about past events, but we will not ignore the crimes and illegalities you are committing against us now. And if you are trying to justify your current crimes by looking into the past for excuses then why should we even forgive you about your past crimes? To allow you to present a fake kind of history in your propaganda against us?

We are partners is Cyprus not just minority, get that into your head if you can then your whole perspective will change. We are not your subordinates and never will be, will fight you with every bone in our body but we will never be the ones to start trouble history has shown your ideology meant our death warrant and its only natural people rise up to fight for survival which is what we did.

Did we bring you to Cyprus to make you our subordinates? No
Did you invade our island to make us your subordinates? Yes

What we want: Democracy (one person one vote) and human rights for all.
What you want: Racist descriptions, stealing our lands and human rights violations. (the same things you have been doing since the day you set your foot on our island)

Do you ever understand what being written for years and years on this forum, is a BBF with political equality taking away your rights? if so then complian to the UN and EU because thats why they support and what they feel will bring union to the island but its your side that rejects this and doesnt want to compromise, you especially are a remanat of the old eoka terrorists who still think that the island is Greek and should be given to Greece, so this perspectine will guarantee nothing will happen to chnage the current divide..ho I forgot unless the swing in power goes either your or our way.

BBF was something we accepted to discuss as a compromise after you refused to obey several UN resolutions. Even then, the BBF we are willing to accept is one where your minority is confined to about 12% of the territory of Cyprus, comprising mostly of a cluster of villages which were traditionally inhabited by TCs. But what you want is not just a solution that would meet the BBF criteria, you also want to steal our lands, legalize human rights violations and force in Cyprus some undemocratic racist system.

Since you do not accept our compromise for a BFF, then no solution can be found based on it, and all that remains is the fact that you continue to illegally occupy 1/3rd of Republic of Cyprus.

It is you, not the UN or EU that demands racist discriminations, human rights violations and all sorts of other outrageous demands. The UN and the EU merely try to help us negotiate with the invaders, and at no point they implied that we are obligated to make any kind of unreasonable compromises to satisfy you.

So if you want a BBF you can have it tomorrow with the blessings of EU and UN. All you have to do is accept BBF the way we propose it, which is already too generous for your small minority. But if you want anything which involves you stealing our lands, racist discriminations against us and an undemocratic system, then you have absolutely no right for such thing no matter how you label it. You can label it "BBF" or "trnc" or anything else you want, but such thing will never be legalized because we will never accept it.

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You still dont get it your leaders have accepted 29% but lets say we reduced to 25% if we are united and you have the right to reutrn how can we stealing your land? Plus dont forget it was you that wanted to give 100% of our land to Greece at nbest you are a first degree hypocrite. If we proceed with your mentality then how much of my land will you GCs be stealing ina BBF. Plus why on earth would the UN and EU support a plan that was as you claim discriminative and against human rights, they took part in all the negotiaitons and every level and had a great deal of input so claiming they did it just to accomadate does not bose well with intelligent thought, you are old school eoka mindset and negotiating with you will always get us nowhere.

In a BBF with political equality we are one country how on earth can anyone be stealing anything, you just dont want to live under TC administration but you want to force me to live under GC administration....bloody hypocrite.

[repulsewarrior]

n a BBF with political equality we are one country how on earth can anyone be stealing anything, you just dont want to live under TC administration but you want to force me to live under GC administration....bloody hypocrite.

again, vp, i ask you, who are you talking to, who do you want to be, when you are talking to the Republic;
...there is no Greek Constituency, you should be asking about that,
if in truth "Turks", and "Greeks" (and why not Maronites, or Armenians) exist, who represents the State if it is not us as Citizens without the need to make distictions or discrimination. ?

...vp, say i love Cyprus, i will fight for, Cyprus first.

indeed Cyprus is a Greek island, unique and distinctive, not unusual compared to Crete for example, because its (known) history is far older.
yet its recent history is far more politically complex.

...as it is Mankind offers us Freedom as Cypriots, and to respect this, as a People defining a Principal Bicommunal (now) Bizonal, as one Sovereign State.

naturally one will divide this debate in two, but that would be incorrect. if anything the prefix, 'bi' can mean anything but, something simply divided in two. there are many examples of Countries that are Bicommunal, i propose, because Cyprus is a crossroad for three Continents, that what is established is able in adapting to great changes in its demographics/population size, and in a manner where its Constituencies can offer to its electors an identity as Persons they choose to sustain. not just a Constitution, a Rule of Law, but Liberty (for all), as well as Freedom.

...vp if you are as you say a Cypriot, why not a Greek Constituency equal to your own as a Turkish Cypriot, why not Maronites, Latins, Armenians, why not others two hundred years from now, having the same Rights, all as equals. And all these People one People, as Cypriots committed to their well being as Individuals, Human Beings.

...why not stand for a Republic of Cyprus, by demanding a Greek Constituency to negociate with, not the Republic as a Greek State, (now freed from the National bias), a Cypriot State that can defend all Cypriots with Principals they share Universally. indeed, why not a Greek Constituency, and a State, why not a Turkish Constituency, and others, because we choose to; (in any case Piratis i hope that you agree with me, at least that my intent is reasoned, i don't expect vp to have read this far, he always says he doesn't understand anything i say anyway.)

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respulse Cyprus is not a Greek island never has been never will be, get that into your head.

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n a BBF with political equality we are one country how on earth can anyone be stealing anything, you just dont want to live under TC administration but you want to force me to live under GC administration....bloody hypocrite.

again, vp, i ask you, who are you talking to, who do you want to be, when you are talking to the Republic;
...there is no Greek Constituency, you should be asking about that,
if in truth "Turks", and "Greeks" (and why not Maronites, or Armenians) exist, who represents the State if it is not us as Citizens without the need to make distictions or discrimination. ?

...vp, say i love Cyprus, i will fight for, Cyprus first.

indeed Cyprus is a Greek island, unique and distinctive, not unusual compared to Crete for example, because its (known) history is far older.
yet its recent history is far more politically complex.

...as it is Mankind offers us Freedom as Cypriots, and to respect this, as a People defining a Principal Bicommunal (now) Bizonal, as one Sovereign State.

naturally one will divide this debate in two, but that would be incorrect. if anything the prefix, 'bi' can mean anything but, something simply divided in two. there are many examples of Countries that are Bicommunal, i propose, because Cyprus is a crossroad for three Continents, that what is established is able in adapting to great changes in its demographics/population size, and in a manner where its Constituencies can offer to its electors an identity as Persons they choose to sustain. not just a Constitution, a Rule of Law, but Liberty (for all), as well as Freedom.

...vp if you are as you say a Cypriot, why not a Greek Constituency equal to your own as a Turkish Cypriot, why not Maronites, Latins, Armenians, why not others two hundred years from now, having the same Rights, all as equals. And all these People one People, as Cypriots committed to their well being as Individuals, Human Beings.

...why not stand for a Republic of Cyprus, by demanding a Greek Constituency to negociate with, not the Republic as a Greek State, (now freed from the National bias), a Cypriot State that can defend all Cypriots with Principals they share Universally. indeed, why not a Greek Constituency, and a State, why not a Turkish Constituency, and others, because we choose to; (in any case Piratis i hope that you agree with me, at least that my intent is reasoned, i don't expect vp to have read this far, he always says he doesn't understand anything i say anyway.)

None of your GCs buddies accept a Greek Constituency, can you get 1 GCs to support this notion......again the Maronite s and Armenians sided with yourselves they have no right to now claim a constituency, they can live as a minority among you people as they never fought with us to create BBF.

I love North Cyprus...the south is a foreign land full of foreigners to me, just like any other country.

[repulsewarrior]

they can live as a minority among you people as they never fought with us to create BBF.

...who is the "us" you speak of, and who are the, "you" people, too?

hypocrite, no vp, slut.

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they can live as a minority among you people as they never fought with us to create BBF.

...who is the "us" you speak of, and who are the, "you" people, too?

hypocrite, no vp, slut.

Now I have taken quite a bit of your insults to date and I have warned you trying very hard not to respond in the same manner but you are still insulting me so you deserve the same;

Look here you f--king slag,

They as in the GCs we as in the TCs and also they as in boneless Armenians and Maronites now do you fu-king get it?

You as in the GCs and Armenians and Maronites are them, you are on the other side of the fence table call it what you will so they have no voice as they sold their soles to the GCs by accepting minority rights among your people.

[repulsewarrior]

None of your GCs buddies accept a Greek Constituency, can you get 1 GCs to support this notion

...dude, i'm not talking to our buddies, i am talking to you. as a TC as you call it, can you live with Greeks as equals (as well as others if this is chosen), because there is a Greek Constituency as well as a Cypriot State, and a Turkish Constituency (,at least).

would you live in such a Country; you, personally? where the Federation unites all Individuals and as Citizens to defend (and better) their Individual Rights, because as National Assemblies, within their Territorial Jurisdictions, distinct identities are sustained with their electors closer to their tax dollars as Persons.

...is this not Bicommunal? (do you dare agree with me)

...don't you agree that the Cypriot Flag should be flown everywhere, and that in parts it is natural to see Greek Flags, and Turkish Flags?

[ZoC]

You as in the GCs and Armenians and Maronites are them, you are on the other side of the fence table call it what you will so they have no voice as they sold their soles to the GCs by accepting minority rights among your people.

u do talk a load of cobblers...

[repulsewarrior]

...ZoC, i assume you can answer my questions for vp, maybe from them he can understand his own position more clearly.

whether you agree with me or not, can you at least demonstrate that my dialog with our confrere has more than a Greek Conspiracy within it.

...bloody hell, do you at least understand my posts?

Bicommunal means that the dwellers of Cyprus, its Citizens, are Cypriot, they have as well the Liberty of being Greeks and Turks as Constituencies.