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[GreekIslandGirl]

Cameron admitted that the UK gains more financially by being in the EU even as a sideline case than if it was out completely.

The UK would actually gain more if it was in the Eurozone but that is impossible now as its debts are humongous and it would not meet the criteria for entry.

[cyprusgrump]

Cameron admitted that the UK gains more financially by being in the EU even as a sideline case than if it was out completely.

The UK would actually gain more if it was in the Eurozone but that is impossible now as its debts are humongous and it would not meet the criteria for entry.

No, Cameron claimed that the UK gains more financially by being in the EU... A claim that is totally baseless...

The UK is a net contributor to the EU.

He also claims that most of our trade is with the EU - that isn't true either...

Why would he claim that? Because he knows that his future is within the EU. Like the Kinnocks, he'll get a nice easy job as a commissioner when he is kicked out and a pay and pension package (courtesy of the tax payer) that most of us can only dream of...

Interesting to note that 'commissioners' like Kinnock are forbidden to criticise the EU under threat of losing their pensions and other benefits which explains some of the very positive rhetoric from those that have been there.

[cyprusgrump]

The ONLY reason the British are so keen to destroy any possible further integration of the European countries withing the EU [and especially that of Cyprus and Greece] is that they (British-Colonialist-Imperialists) function by divide and rule. That's all they understand! They have been destabilizing Greece since at least World War II - and we know what they did/do to Cyprus. Furthermore, any further integration of Cyprus within the EU and Britain fears its tentative hold on the Bases will be removed completely.

We don't get anything for nothing and safety within the EU is worth a few monetary sacrifices at these early stages ...

I second all of the above!

Please don't mind Grump... his head is in the sand... can't see any further than some wind turbines installed on the hills above his house!
You see, the Brits think of themselves as being sooooo superior over other peoples where in fact are quite insignificant and sidelined from what's going on in Europe right now. Simply, by not adopting the Euro, Brits have no business to how Eurozone will handle the situation...

Grump, just sit back and and watch... you are not a player in this "game" not the referee but only a fan sitting at the back benches of the stadium.

Yet we are a player in this game unfortunately....

Look up who contributes the cash that the EU wastes while its member countries face real austerity and hardship...

I don't get it...

UK is a member of EU but not in the Eurozone.
UK contributes monies to the EU only to be given to Eurozone countries in trouble...
UK has no say into Eurozone policies...
UK pays and shuts up!

Why is UK still in the EU? Is there a point to all this? What's the gain, if any?
Awaiting explanations Grump... if none is given then shut up yourself...

"shut up yourself..."????

Did I tell you to shut up? Was that really necessary...?

Or is it just the way of closing a debate that you can't ever win by shutting up dissenters?

To answer your question - "Why is UK still in the EU?"...

The majority of the British public have no interest in EU membership. Most of us have never even been asked about it.

Even those that did have a chance to vote for it were lied to by Ted Heath in 1972 - they were told they were voting for a 'Common Market', not integration with the rest of Europe.

Now most of the UK's laws, taxes and regulations are set by the EU.

Why do we stay? Because the people have been denied any chance to leave - despite Cameron's 'cast iron' guarantees the UK has not had a chance to vote on membership or any of the treaties that have shaped the EU.

Why do the politicians want to stay? I'm sure that some of them genuinely believe in the EU project. For many though, EU memberships provides a guaranteed route to wealth (courtesy of the EU taxpayers) that they could not hope to achieve in any other way. See my reply to GIG and my comments on the KInnocks.

The Conservatives are now hinting at a referendum after the next general election (convenient ) but even then they won't offer a straight in/out choice. They'll offer a choice of stay as we are or renegotiate powers...

There, does that answer your question in a reasonable way?

[cyprusgrump]

The ONLY reason the British are so keen to destroy any possible further integration of the European countries withing the EU [and especially that of Cyprus and Greece] is that they (British-Colonialist-Imperialists) function by divide and rule. That's all they understand! They have been destabilizing Greece since at least World War II - and we know what they did/do to Cyprus. Furthermore, any further integration of Cyprus within the EU and Britain fears its tentative hold on the Bases will be removed completely.

We don't get anything for nothing and safety within the EU is worth a few monetary sacrifices at these early stages ...

I second all of the above!

Please don't mind Grump... his head is in the sand... can't see any further than some wind turbines installed on the hills above his house!
You see, the Brits think of themselves as being sooooo superior over other peoples where in fact are quite insignificant and sidelined from what's going on in Europe right now. Simply, by not adopting the Euro, Brits have no business to how Eurozone will handle the situation...

Grump, just sit back and and watch... you are not a player in this "game" not the referee but only a fan sitting at the back benches of the stadium.

Yet we are a player in this game unfortunately....

Look up who contributes the cash that the EU wastes while its member countries face real austerity and hardship...

I don't get it...

UK is a member of EU but not in the Eurozone.
UK contributes monies to the EU only to be given to Eurozone countries in trouble...
UK has no say into Eurozone policies...
UK pays and shuts up!

Why is UK still in the EU? Is there a point to all this? What's the gain, if any?
Awaiting explanations Grump... if none is given then shut up yourself...

I doubt that you'll read it but here is an interesting article which backs up what I said earlier....

Why, when it is clear that a majority of the British people do not trust the EU and would, if given a chance, vote to leave it, do the three main parties, Labour, Conservative and Liberal Democrats, all support the EU?

It makes no political sense. Not since 1983 has a major political party in the UK talked openly about leaving the EU. If one of the three main parties were to adopt a clear anti-EU stance that party would win any general election with ease. But none will.

I am always unwilling to accept conspiracy theories. But, as Sherlock Holmes pointed out, when you have excluded all other possibilities then whatever you have left, however seemingly impossible it may be, must be the only realistic solution.

The only possible explanation is that the three main political parties in Britain are controlled by, and in thrall to, the European Union.

How could that be?

The answer is simple: our dishonest politicians are bribed.

It's all about money.

Edward Heath received a substantial financial reward for taking Britain into the EU when he was Prime Minister. In fact the traitor Heath was no stranger to bribery. One of his aides bribed a senior Labour Party official £25,000 for details of Harold Wilson's election tactics.

The reward of £35,000, paid personally to Heath, in the guise of The Charlemagne Prize, was handed over to him after he had signed the Treaty of Rome.

Heath later confirmed that he had lied to the British people about the implications of the Treaty. He told the electorate that signing the Treaty of Rome would lead to no essential loss of National Sovereignty but later admitted that this was not true - and he knew it was not true. He said he lied because he knew that the British would not approve of him signing the Treaty if they knew the truth.

Was Heath any worse than any other MP of modern times? I don't think so.

How much bribery currently goes on within the EU? That, of course, is impossible to say with precision. Bribery is, by its very nature, a secretive business. Neither those doing the bribing nor those being bribed are likely to talk much about what they are doing.

Questions relating to slush funds have been asked in the European Parliament. But so far there have been no replies.

According to International Currency Review, the EU operates a secret bank account which it uses to distribute money to many of those involved in treaty signings. The International Currency Review has reported that in 2004 a total of over £3 billion was allocated from secret slush funds to `procure' the European Constitution Treaty. Of this sum nearly £2 billion was allocated and paid out after the inter governmental conference in the summer of 2004. Sums of £70 million were allocated for each of the 25 EU member states with the bribery funds being remitted to various officials concerned in each country.

The EU, riddled with crooks and fraudsters, is built on fraud and deceit. The mainstream media, ever obedient to the EU, has not, of course, reported or investigated these allegations.

Is it any surprise that the European Court of Auditors, described as the `financial conscience' of the EU, has rejected the European Union's accounts for more than a decade?

Of one thing I am sure: those who support and protect the EU are well rewarded. Conversely those who oppose and criticise the EU are harried, marginalised and silenced.

From here.

[supporttheunderdog]

More on Cyprus and the Euro:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/00b7869c-1220-11e2-868d-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fglobal-economy%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct#axzz293YJOLzN

"Less than five years after Cyprus joined the eurozone, it is discovering that the membership price is higher than it could ever have imagined.@

[cyprusgrump]

More on Cyprus and the Euro:

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/00b7869c-1220-11e2-868d-00144feabdc0.html?ftcamp=published_links%2Frss%2Fglobal-economy%2Ffeed%2F%2Fproduct#axzz293YJOLzN

"Less than five years after Cyprus joined the eurozone, it is discovering that the membership price is higher than it could ever have imagined.@

Worth quoting the whole part that you took that from...

As a consequence, the shadow of the “men in black” is lengthening over Cyprus. Mr Christofias is being dragged like an errant child into the arms of stern foster-parents in Brussels and Frankfurt. They are considering a €10bn-€15bn rescue for Cyprus but in return want prompt action to slim the public sector wage bill, improve business competitiveness, reduce tax evasion and recapitalise banks.

It will be no easier for Mr Christofias to deliver on these objectives than it has been for one prime minister after another in Athens since the first EU-IMF rescue of Greece in May 2010. Less than five years after Cyprus joined the eurozone, it is discovering that the membership price is higher than it could ever have imagined.

[Marz]

Some of you are on the ball with whats goin on the UK seems to be on the sidelines but its not, its part of the Greater powers controlling Europe.
The Bankers who created this mess did so on purpose and now they reap even more benefits after they made everyones money dissapear and put in place the governemnt puppets who pissed away the people money and freedom.
Alll banks in each country are runs as seperate corporations to the governemnt, the governemnt borrows money from them in turn the bank requires interest on that through our taxes, like greece the interest was too much it cant be repayed so the Banking vultures want something else in return, and its the same everywhere not just Greece. In the end all the money from the bailout doesnt go to the people, who have elected and put in place Public servants to serve the country, it goes to the World Central bank where all the money originated from, that was owed to it by the government who was too stupid and defensless to do anything.
being part of the EU is just another easier way to control people alltogether one law for all under one ruler the EU Who are they? Well all of a sudden the whole of Europe is under the control of a select few, finacially screwed to be able to get out of the mess its in there looks like no way out, i say better get out of the EU the country was better off before and it was better off.
basicalle under peoples noses who still cant see it the politicians and people have given away their constitutional rights to someone else now, usually there needs to be a referendum before a mojor issue like joinging the Eu should be allowed. the people in greece are right in fighting for their rights and not giving up their rights or it will be lost for good.

[bigOz]

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Saturday,December 29 2012
EU chief challenges UK on unity

LONDON / FRANKFURT
The European Union’s patience with Britain begins to wear thin as current and former officials accuse the country of self-serving interests.

British Prime Minister David Cameron’s attempts to win back powers from the European Union could cause the 27-nation bloc to fall apart, its president Herman Van Rompuy said in an interview Dec. 27.

Cameron, who is under pressure from “euroskeptics” in his Conservative party, said last month he still supports British membership of the EU but wants a “new settlement” that involves winning opt-outs on key issues. “If every member state were able to cherry-pick those parts of existing policies that they most like, and opt out of those that they least like, the union in general, and the single market in particular, would soon unravel,” Van Rompuy told The Guardian newspaper.

“All member states can, and do, have particular requests and needs that are always taken into consideration as part of our deliberations,” he said.

“I do not expect any member state to seek to undermine the fundamentals of our co-operative system in Europe,” Van Rompuy said. A day after Van Rompuy’s remarks, former EU Commission chief Jacques Delors said Britain could leave the union and enter into a different sort of partnership with the political and economic bloc instead. “The British are solely concerned about their economic interests, nothing else. They could be offered a different form of partnership,” Delors said. “If the British cannot support the trend toward more integration in Europe, we can nevertheless remain friends, but on a different basis,” the French former minister said. “I could imagine a form such as a European economic area or a free trade agreement,” Delors said.

Britain was “strategically and economically important,” and should remain “a privileged partner,” he insisted.

[Me Ed]

Nigel Farage just about sums up VanRompuy.

WHO ARE YOU?

[GreekIslandGirl]

Sub Categories: » HOMEPAGE / WORLD/ EUROPE

Saturday,December 29 2012
EU chief challenges UK on unity

LONDON / FRANKFURT
The European Union’s patience with Britain begins to wear thin as current and former officials accuse the country of self-serving interests.

British Prime Minister David Cameron’s attempts to win back powers from the European Union could cause the 27-nation bloc to fall apart, its president Herman Van Rompuy said in an interview Dec. 27.

Cameron, who is under pressure from “euroskeptics” in his Conservative party, said last month he still supports British membership of the EU but wants a “new settlement” that involves winning opt-outs on key issues. “If every member state were able to cherry-pick those parts of existing policies that they most like, and opt out of those that they least like, the union in general, and the single market in particular, would soon unravel,” Van Rompuy told The Guardian newspaper.

“All member states can, and do, have particular requests and needs that are always taken into consideration as part of our deliberations,” he said.

“I do not expect any member state to seek to undermine the fundamentals of our co-operative system in Europe,” Van Rompuy said. A day after Van Rompuy’s remarks, former EU Commission chief Jacques Delors said Britain could leave the union and enter into a different sort of partnership with the political and economic bloc instead. “The British are solely concerned about their economic interests, nothing else. They could be offered a different form of partnership,” Delors said. “If the British cannot support the trend toward more integration in Europe, we can nevertheless remain friends, but on a different basis,” the French former minister said. “I could imagine a form such as a European economic area or a free trade agreement,” Delors said.

Britain was “strategically and economically important,” and should remain “a privileged partner,” he insisted.

I agree the UK undermines the EU and should be kicked out. The UK needs the EU more than the EU needs the UK and its duplicitous membership.