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[Pyrpolizer]

Thanks for the Xmas wishes, it was a relaxing day...
I think I 'd better finish the topics i was discussing before retracting to my more serious activities out of this forum.

[Pyrpolizer]

Thanks for that Pyro, which answers the questions in the OP bar one, the question that brings things to the situation today, prob the most important question... This one...

Is the present day Illegal Regime known by some as "tncrtc" its current political face...??? ... (the current face of TMT...?)

Merry Xmas everyone.

While one would be tempted to answer with a simple yes, if we look at it objectively the only common thing between the old TMT and the current admin in the pseudo is that of keeping a separate Turkish state here in Cyprus.
For example who could ever say that the Talat administration was the current political face of TMT in the occupied?

Now about this common objective which is the keeping a separate Turkish state here in Cyprus- even that differs from the TMT objective for that state to be inhabited by Kibrislis.The objective of the pseudo today under the control of Turkey is simply to have a Turkish population and it doesn’t matter if that Turkish population are Kibrislis or not. That’s why today the settlers are almost double than the Kibrislis, and that’s why more than half the Kibrislis have already abandoned the place.
I don’t think any Kibrisli who joined the TMT in the 60s for the noble cause of it, would still support it today after seen what the pseudo admin as being puppet of Ankara is doing. Arif Hasan is one of the many ex TMT examples.

The second common thing is that while TMT started with a noble "cause" it ended up criminal just like the Eokas of course. The pseudo admin was always criminal.
For example it’s "Esdeger" system with which it distributed the stolen GC properties was accounting for various factors one of which was their involvement or rank in the TMT. Thus many got rich simply because they had a criminal TMT record!!

I would also like to point out the following:

--The liberation+Enosis cause meant a risk for the future of the Kibrislis. In other words there was an unknown % percentage chance that their future could be affected negatively but at the same time an unknown % percentage chance that nothing would happen to them.

--The Taksim cause meant that thousands of GCs would be obliged to relocate against their will, so that they would create an empty space for an equal number of thousands of TCs to also relocate, most probably against their will too.
Therefore the Taksim "cause" carried the element of massive violation of human rights, right from the start.

--The Taksim cause for a separate Kibrisli state here in Cyprus, was based on the fact that there was a risk for their future in case of Enosis of Cyprus with Greece.Hence we had the conflict between TMT and ex Eoka groups during which the Kibrisli community as being the weakest suffered the most.

--That suffering, is used today by the pseudo state as their major ** excuse for still aiming at 2 separate States in Cyprus while the Enosis dream does not even exist. This automatically raises the question which of the 2 excuses for wanting a separate state was ALWAYS A LIE? The first one, the second one, both? So here’s an easy question for you Bill…

NB:**I say major excuse, because there are other excuses too e.g they say "we are 2 separate people, we are different, we speak different languages, we have different religion", and all those things.

[Viewpoint]

Pyro ı would like to congratulate you on your last posts, are you well or has something dropped on your head?

Your posts are far more balanced than they were and you appear to have a grip on the reality of the situation, why were you hiding this balanced and methodical viewpoint?

[repulsewarrior]

...maybe you will moderate your observations, vp. maybe there is more to this issue than "Greeks" and "Turks".

...maybe Cypriots exist, people who place Cyprus first.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro ı would like to congratulate you on your last posts, are you well or has something dropped on your head?

Your posts are far more balanced than they were and you appear to have a grip on the reality of the situation, why were you hiding this balanced and methodical viewpoint?

There is no fun being balanced VP, you know that better than anyone

[bill cobbett]

Pyro ı would like to congratulate you on your last posts, are you well or has something dropped on your head?

Your posts are far more balanced than they were and you appear to have a grip on the reality of the situation, why were you hiding this balanced and methodical viewpoint?

There is no fun being balanced VP, you know that better than anyone

Thx for that Pyro... and yes, it's often fun, for instance, to stir a little and see the reaction.

Now VP, given what you say to Pyro two or three times above, perhaps you could reach out to him and his kinsmen in this season of goodwill with some equally honest assessments of past history and the current situation by answering the same questions in the OP but also and particularly with some realistic proposals for this coming New Year...???

[Viewpoint]

Pyro ı would like to congratulate you on your last posts, are you well or has something dropped on your head?

Your posts are far more balanced than they were and you appear to have a grip on the reality of the situation, why were you hiding this balanced and methodical viewpoint?

There is no fun being balanced VP, you know that better than anyone

Thx for that Pyro... and yes, it's often fun, for instance, to stir a little and see the reaction.

Now VP, given what you say to Pyro two or three times above, perhaps you could reach out to him and his kinsmen in this season of goodwill with some equally honest assessments of past history and the current situation by answering the same questions in the OP but also and particularly with some realistic proposals for this coming New Year...???

My agreeing shows the same honesty that Pyro is starting to show the difference being that I have been always stating that TCs being the weaker community suffered more and the current division is the result of the actions of both sides.

As for the future I realistically propose that the stars will not be aligned in any sort of resumption of the talks which I personally feel is dead and buried. The desire which drives the momentum to even get the sides together and talking just does not exist. I can only talk for the feeling in the TRNC no one gives a fig about finding a solution no one talks about it and people believe we are wasting our time trying to negotiate with GCs who do not really want or need a solution. Greece has gone bust, Turkey is just not interested, the GCs are trying to prop up a collapsed economy and the TCs have lost all belief in the GCs being genuine about their desire for a solution. So as i stated the stars are just not aligned and dont look they ever will be.

[Lordo]

so this is where this thread is heading for. well well well.

considering it took 55 years to clear the names of 19 innocent civilians being murdered on the pretence of being traitors and all these years dragging the surviving members of their family through hell and all you gantobullaragis see what tmt does sure puts you in the eoga camp my friend. so you think eoga has no influence on the government of groc.

may you and the rest of your fanatics scum rot in hell.

[Pyrpolizer]

--The Taksim cause for a separate Kibrisli state here in Cyprus, was based on the fact that there was a risk for their future in case of Enosis of Cyprus with Greece.Hence we had the conflict between TMT and ex Eoka groups during which the Kibrisli community as being the weakest suffered the most.
--That suffering, is used today by the pseudo state as their major ** excuse for still aiming at 2 separate States in Cyprus while the Enosis dream does not even exist. This automatically raises the question which of the 2 excuses for wanting a separate state was ALWAYS A LIE? The first one, the second one, both? So here’s an easy question for you Bill…

NB:**I say major excuse, because there are other excuses too e.g they say "we are 2 separate people, we are different, we speak different languages, we have different religion", and all those things.

It seems everybody has missed my question. So which one of the 2 excuses for wanting taksim was always a lie? The first one, the second one, both?

[Viewpoint]

--The Taksim cause for a separate Kibrisli state here in Cyprus, was based on the fact that there was a risk for their future in case of Enosis of Cyprus with Greece.Hence we had the conflict between TMT and ex Eoka groups during which the Kibrisli community as being the weakest suffered the most.
--That suffering, is used today by the pseudo state as their major ** excuse for still aiming at 2 separate States in Cyprus while the Enosis dream does not even exist. This automatically raises the question which of the 2 excuses for wanting a separate state was ALWAYS A LIE? The first one, the second one, both? So here’s an easy question for you Bill…

NB:**I say major excuse, because there are other excuses too e.g they say "we are 2 separate people, we are different, we speak different languages, we have different religion", and all those things.

It seems everybody has missed my question. So which one of the 2 excuses for wanting taksim was always a lie? The first one, the second one, both?

Neither. Do you think that you can break a vase and then try and glue it back together...as you have seen from the glue(negotiations) it will never make the vase a whole again and neither side is happy with it...enosis changed Cyprus forever.