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[Pyrpolizer]

In response to gradually understanding that we cannot unite, the TRNC must take measures to illustrate that the lack of a solution is not their fault eg AP nd what followed. We must encourage Turkey to apply pressure on the USA to push for upgrading of the TRNC on the basis that they can no longer be held hostage by the GCs or isolated due to GC intransigence as reflected in the NO to a internationally brokered solution and the lack of progress thereafter.

You are becoming more and more of an illusionist. All the ambassadors know Eroglu inside out.In fact Eroglu =Denktash.
So who you said you are going to convince?

[repulsewarrior]

...should i say, bravo vp! ...in your tiny little world, bigger than any other, the history today can be written, repulsewarrior can be scratched off a list, unforgiven, finally dismissed, because the words spoken were harsh; you must be very proud.

but, what is needed for recognition?

...you personally, is to recognise how this small world is ours, all of us.

...whether you want a small piece (more) for you or not is something less than this fact, you can say that that too goes for all of us. and if you love your island, then, take a look around you, because it was better, and it can belong neither to Turkey, Britain, or Greece, (this is sure), nor can it remain torn in two.

do you honestly believe that without clear words from you, personally, we can agree? as a spokesman announcing to the world, a few words, 5 minutes later so to speak, "Long live the TRNC, thanks to GC ignorance shown in the above posts its look likes it will.", you demean yourself; i speak as a Cypriot, you ignore that, and in a larger sense even that does not matter, because i respect Universal Principals: who are you talking to?

...revenge stops at Bicommunal, it is the compromise, from a Unitary State. there is no asking more without Bad Faith. indeed, "you" don't get it, there is no, "TRNC", because there is no, "GC". There is a Republic, and within it Human Beings who as Persons, have taken the task of defining for the rest of Mankind a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation that can be held in high esteem, and as such emulated.

...i am no "Greek", so do me the kindness, demand a Constituency from them (as i do), so that they can be fought by there equals if it comes to that, in a Political Forum, by the "Turks" if you will, but more importantly everyone else who as Cypriots oppose the extremism in any of this thinking as Nationalists.

one word from you, and suddenly there is a Republic which can take care of its Citizens needs as Human Beings, and not as it is today completely dysfunctional, Bicommunal because there exists a Cypriot State, as well as, two (or more) Constituencies; at least amongst us here and now with you, on this Forum, (that would be a nice start), recognition: and in truth ((and given who reads here/who writes, given the topic, and given the present conversation) (at which point)) if it came to reaching out, there are only about a million people who really count.

...struggle vp, these words mean a lot to me, and as everyone else here, except Lordo (maybe), we are most hopeful you can demonstrate some solidarity with the few of us who really struggle, and who feel hurt enough to treat you, personally, with disdain.

[GreekIslandGirl]

No - you don't get it. They were happy enough to "resettle" in the homes of GCs in the north which VP tells us is now a "foreign country". So there is no earthly reason why the TCs who do not see the RoC as their homeland should not be fairly, and kindly, resettled back to Turkey. In this case, resettled just means settled once they have been moved. It doesn't mean they have had to have been there before. Anyway, "Turkey" is just a stones throw away ( ) - They can think of it like island hopping; only this time they have to hop off this Greek island and onto Asia Minor and beyond.

Changing the true meaning of words just to suit one's agenda is a trait of a dictator... I get it alright... You, VP and the other thing are all in the "same bag" ... Radical extremists!

What word's "true" meaning are you more concerned about than the fact the British had offered such a fair solution ? That of "repatriating" back to Turkey, settling or even "resettling" (to their ancestral east) those TCs, who did not, and don't want (like VP etc) to be under the banner of the RoC.

You can wiggle out with the pretext of a worry of a word (your vocabulary limitations) but this British-made proposal of repatriating (since they are 'governed' by Turkey) those TCs - which was offered as the only true long-term solution to the Cyprus problem - could and should now be brought to the table and discussed at the EU.

[Viewpoint]

In response to gradually understanding that we cannot unite, the TRNC must take measures to illustrate that the lack of a solution is not their fault eg AP nd what followed. We must encourage Turkey to apply pressure on the USA to push for upgrading of the TRNC on the basis that they can no longer be held hostage by the GCs or isolated due to GC intransigence as reflected in the NO to a internationally brokered solution and the lack of progress thereafter.

You are becoming more and more of an illusionist. All the ambassadors know Eroglu inside out.In fact Eroglu =Denktash.
So who you said you are going to convince?

You had the Talat opportunity and messed that up as well, if you do not want a solution it really doesnt matter which leader we send to the negotiations.

[Viewpoint]

...should i say, bravo vp! ...in your tiny little world, bigger than any other, the history today can be written, repulsewarrior can be scratched off a list, unforgiven, finally dismissed, because the words spoken were harsh; you must be very proud.

but, what is needed for recognition?

...you personally, is to recognise how this small world is ours, all of us.

...whether you want a small piece (more) for you or not is something less than this fact, you can say that that too goes for all of us. and if you love your island, then, take a look around you, because it was better, and it can belong neither to Turkey, Britain, or Greece, (this is sure), nor can it remain torn in two.

do you honestly believe that without clear words from you, personally, we can agree? as a spokesman announcing to the world, a few words, 5 minutes later so to speak, "Long live the TRNC, thanks to GC ignorance shown in the above posts its look likes it will.", you demean yourself; i speak as a Cypriot, you ignore that, and in a larger sense even that does not matter, because i respect Universal Principals: who are you talking to?

...revenge stops at Bicommunal, it is the compromise, from a Unitary State. there is no asking more without Bad Faith. indeed, "you" don't get it, there is no, "TRNC", because there is no, "GC". There is a Republic, and within it Human Beings who as Persons, have taken the task of defining for the rest of Mankind a Bicommunal Bizonal Federation that can be held in high esteem, and as such emulated.

...i am no "Greek", so do me the kindness, demand a Constituency from them (as i do), so that they can be fought by there equals if it comes to that, in a Political Forum, by the "Turks" if you will, but more importantly everyone else who as Cypriots oppose the extremism in any of this thinking as Nationalists.

one word from you, and suddenly there is a Republic which can take care of its Citizens needs as Human Beings, and not as it is today completely dysfunctional, Bicommunal because there exists a Cypriot State, as well as, two (or more) Constituencies; at least amongst us here and now with you, on this Forum, (that would be a nice start), recognition: and in truth ((and given who reads here/who writes, given the topic, and given the present conversation) (at which point)) if it came to reaching out, there are only about a million people who really count.

...struggle vp, these words mean a lot to me, and as everyone else here, except Lordo (maybe), we are most hopeful you can demonstrate some solidarity with the few of us who really struggle, and who feel hurt enough to treat you, personally, with disdain.

Lets see if we can make progress in your understanding of why I wrote Long live the TRNC.....can you answer why I would post this?

[Pyrpolizer]

In response to gradually understanding that we cannot unite, the TRNC must take measures to illustrate that the lack of a solution is not their fault eg AP nd what followed. We must encourage Turkey to apply pressure on the USA to push for upgrading of the TRNC on the basis that they can no longer be held hostage by the GCs or isolated due to GC intransigence as reflected in the NO to a internationally brokered solution and the lack of progress thereafter.

You are becoming more and more of an illusionist. All the ambassadors know Eroglu inside out.In fact Eroglu =Denktash.
So who you said you are going to convince?

You had the Talat opportunity and messed that up as well, if you do not want a solution it really doesnt matter which leader we send to the negotiations.

Are you talking for yourself?
Talat consumed his term on the Anan Plan, then trying to capitalize on our OXI and some very little time in making some progress on minor issues with Christofias. Then you knocked him out It's funny really how you got convinced that Eroglu and Denktash ever wanted a solution. It's even funnier accusing the Gcs that they don't want a solution. How many self fabricated lies can you invent - digest?

[Pyrpolizer]

No - you don't get it. They were happy enough to "resettle" in the homes of GCs in the north which VP tells us is now a "foreign country". So there is no earthly reason why the TCs who do not see the RoC as their homeland should not be fairly, and kindly, resettled back to Turkey. In this case, resettled just means settled once they have been moved. It doesn't mean they have had to have been there before. Anyway, "Turkey" is just a stones throw away ( ) - They can think of it like island hopping; only this time they have to hop off this Greek island and onto Asia Minor and beyond.

Changing the true meaning of words just to suit one's agenda is a trait of a dictator... I get it alright... You, VP and the other thing are all in the "same bag" ... Radical extremists!

What word's "true" meaning are you more concerned about than the fact the British had offered such a fair solution ? That of "repatriating" back to Turkey, settling or even "resettling" (to their ancestral east) those TCs, who did not, and don't want (like VP etc) to be under the banner of the RoC.

You can wiggle out with the pretext of a worry of a word (your vocabulary limitations) but this British-made proposal of repatriating (since they are 'governed' by Turkey) those TCs - which was offered as the only true long-term solution to the Cyprus problem - could and should now be brought to the table and discussed at the EU.

For Christ sake when was that??? Was that a FACT , or was it just a thought that some insignificant British diplomat expressed?

[Viewpoint]

Pyro the Gcs do not want a solution they have everything they want, we could elect Mother Teresa and there would still be no solution the official take is the international recorded rejection of the AP by the GCs.

[Pyrpolizer]

Pyro the Gcs do not want a solution they have everything they want, we could elect Mother Teresa and there would still be no solution the official take is the international recorded rejection of the AP by the GCs.

Yes we 've heard of that poem before, how many lies can you fabricate-digest and finally beleive, you people are one of a kind ...

[GreekIslandGirl]

No - you don't get it. They were happy enough to "resettle" in the homes of GCs in the north which VP tells us is now a "foreign country". So there is no earthly reason why the TCs who do not see the RoC as their homeland should not be fairly, and kindly, resettled back to Turkey. In this case, resettled just means settled once they have been moved. It doesn't mean they have had to have been there before. Anyway, "Turkey" is just a stones throw away ( ) - They can think of it like island hopping; only this time they have to hop off this Greek island and onto Asia Minor and beyond.

Changing the true meaning of words just to suit one's agenda is a trait of a dictator... I get it alright... You, VP and the other thing are all in the "same bag" ... Radical extremists!

What word's "true" meaning are you more concerned about than the fact the British had offered such a fair solution ? That of "repatriating" back to Turkey, settling or even "resettling" (to their ancestral east) those TCs, who did not, and don't want (like VP etc) to be under the banner of the RoC.

You can wiggle out with the pretext of a worry of a word (your vocabulary limitations) but this British-made proposal of repatriating (since they are 'governed' by Turkey) those TCs - which was offered as the only true long-term solution to the Cyprus problem - could and should now be brought to the table and discussed at the EU.

For Christ sake when was that??? Was that a FACT , or was it just a thought that some insignificant British diplomat expressed?

Well, it is a fact it was proposed:

From the British perspective, as exemplified by the UK Ministry of Defence Deputy Secretary, Frank Motorshead, in his briefing for the Defence and Overseas Policy Committee back in April, 1964:

- In order to solve the Cyprus problem; he suggested Britain and the UN could give "financial and other assistance for the resettling" of Turkish Cypriots (to Turkey or elsewhere).

- Britain considered a Cyprus ceded to Greece, or as a unitary state controlled by the majority GCs, as the ONLY viable solution to the Cyprus problem.