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[Flying Horse]

Project of the century more controversial than beneficial http://www.parikiaki.com/2015/02/benefi ... -question/
Those who 'benefit' don't even get a say in it!!

[Lordo]

they got many things wrong but one that hits you straight away is the number of people. it is already higher then half a million people. by 2020 it will be a million people.

[Nikitas]

Re Lordo, siga je estaxes ta!

Turkish official studies regarding the water project a population of 400 000 in the occupied territories by the year 2040.

"Turkish Water Works chief Birol Cinar told the CIO that the project can cover the irrigation and domestic water needs of the the TRNC population which is projected to reach 400 000 by 2040"

This confirms the posts I made last year regarding the indirect evidence contained in night photography from satellites, the heat maps showing built up area heat signatures etc. that simply do not support the reputed population of the trunc.

TC biologists have criticised the plan for its lack of environmental impact planning while other TC NGOs mention the lack of usage planning.

So far no one has mentioned the salt pan phenomenon in hot climate irrigation. The idea that the Measoria plain can be easily turned from dry to irrigated agriculture is not as simple as it sounds.

[-mikkie2-]

Nikitas,

You mean that the land will become salty as what the water will do is to leach out the salts that are present in the soil making cultivation alot harder.
Perhaps part of the plan for the water is to refill the aquifers for example, around Morphou as well as the wider needs.
You need to remember that the Turks have a systematic plan to turn the north into a far more stable place economically. For example all the myriad houses they have built don't have adequate potted water - not good when it comes to selling these properties to foreigners who expect and demand the basics such as electricity and water that is not cut off every now and then due to shortages.

A few years ago we were sitting in this forum talking about this water pipeline being literally a pipe dream. It looks like despite all the delays, the Turks will succeed to some extent. This is just another nail in the coffin for unifying Cyprus. I remember a conversation I had several years ago with friends about the shoddy infrastructure development in the north, the main reason behind it being that the Turks were expecting some kind of solution so they were not going to invest millions in upgrading everything but merely making temporary improvements. Now they are all out to spend money hand over fist so that they can use it as a negotiating card - ' we have made huge investments so we cant give land back ' type of argument. With any solution, we would be lucky to just get back Varosha. We can forget getting Morphou back for example.

Our pliticians have made a pigs ear of everything in Cyprus. We have wasted our EU membership and we have allowed countries that are hostile to Turkish membership to hide behind us. We have a Turkey that has a louder voice within Europe dictating things than Cyprus or Greece has from within the Union. Crazy state of affairs. We are being kicked around like a football. We have little or no control of our destiny with our lack of political acumen.

So, let us sit back and watch the Turks get their way. Little by little they are getting there. I have completely lost faith in anything positive happening.

[kurupetos]

they got many things wrong but one that hits you straight away is the number of people. it is already higher then half a million people. by 2020 it will be a million people.

Will the water come by then?

[Lordo]

enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSz0Llv0N5o

[repulsewarrior]

@-mikkie2-

...not so. it is the inequality between these two constituents which makes the process of negotiations so difficult. If "they" were not so reliant on what was had, "they" would not be playing catch-up in such an epic fashion, (for something, not something better,) and it is clear that the thinking in it is not Cypriot, from the little we know, it is not even Turkish, although it is "Turkish".

If and when it becomes apparent to Cypriots that with a change of intentions they can work together toward a prosperity far greater for both, it will become obvious how the debate is flawed against such a notion. That they are not "enemies", that defending Universal Principals, rather than "Greekness" or "Turkishness", is the Cypriot way, and that Cyprus as an island, they love.

Water, this water could pay a lot of reparations, and the Gaz and Oil could well be sold to Turkey at a reasonable price. The issue as it stands leaves "Turks" and "Greeks" as adversaries, and the center of attention, where Cypriots (unless identified as "Greeks") do not have a voice in this debate as such. In any case the President must wear two hats, and it leaves the credibility of the Republic open to speculation, as a "Greek" state. It leaves him impotent in convincing Turkish Cypriots that his representation is for Cyprus, rather than for his electorate, and the overwhelming population it represents. No Greek voice, no Turkish voice, (no recognition for Maronite, Armenian, and Latin, Cypriots), no recognition for Cypriots as Cypriots; perfect for Turkey this debate, "Turkish"/not"Turkish"(read: "Greek") because Turkish Cypriots are in such a rut that they will accept any gratuity.

...but, time is not on Turkey's side, Erdogan has many of these projects of the century here and there, somewhere a bubble will burst, the Cyprus Problem may outlast him.

[Nikitas]

Mikkie

Our monumental mistake since 1977 when we accepted partition, BBF in polite converstaion, is that we did not put territory at the top of the negotiating list. Express it In simple terms like 80-20 for federation 85-15 for confederation, 90-10 for two independent countries, and stick to it.

We facilitated the other side by discussing "governance" and the "constitutional issue" and leaving territory last. They realise our allies do not understand our dialectic. It is a cultural thing we overlook. Anglosaxons think in soundbites and sports terminology. They get the simple concept of "so much land per capita", if we express it.

Davut has caught on and he sees the water as an added ploy to convince us to accept the present territorial division, sweetened with the water. In his recent Athens visit he spoke more about the water's importance to the RoC than the north. The location of the landfall is not accidental at all! The water is valuable for the clients who are sure buyers ie GCs, not some doubtful future consumers who have better property alternatives now.

The Mediterranean property bubble illustrates the oversupply, demand plunged, values sank along with it the value of supporting infrastructure. Turkey's oversupply of Aegean coast properties is the worst competitor for the trunc. Who wants a house in Kyrenia when he can be near Ismir, a day's travel from hundreds of Greek islands! We like to flatter ourselves re natural beauty etc, but let's be realistic, next to the Greek islands Cyprus is a dud. Turkish tourists go to CYprus for a pilgrimage, to Greece they go for fun and to spend money. And the traffic is the same the other way naturally. Our motherlands treat each other well.

Beyond all this, I focus on the water project for the engineering and environmental aspects. Fascinating on both counts and more so if you take into account the laws of unintended consequences. There will be surprises to be sure.

[kurupetos]

enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSz0Llv0N5o

Enjoy what, traoullospore?

[bill cobbett]

Update on progress on the cross-sea part of "kktc su temin projesi", increasingly coming to be called Flop of the Century...

Past week, again no signs of ships working in the project area to the south of Anamur.

So, it's now been one month with no progress.