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Postby cyprusgrump » Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:27 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:We need to think of the environment and future sustainability. Cyprus sits in an ocean of sunshine. Solar --> electricity!

Leave the Gas/Oil to sell to cold, wet, cloudy countries! :)

(If they have any money ... They do seem to be on the grab ... )


So how would that help the environment if somebody else just uses it instead of us...? :roll:

And do you have any idea how much of the country you would have to cover in expensive solar panels (which are not very efficient when they get warm) to replace fossil fuels used for transport with electricity? :shock:

No, don't bother answering that - you are clueless... :lol:
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Re: tesla motors

Postby kurupetos » Sat Mar 09, 2013 11:01 pm

tesla motors


Not this BS again. :x
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Re: tesla motors

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:38 am

cyprusgrump wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:We need to think of the environment and future sustainability. Cyprus sits in an ocean of sunshine. Solar --> electricity!

Leave the Gas/Oil to sell to cold, wet, cloudy countries! :)

(If they have any money ... They do seem to be on the grab ... )


So how would that help the environment if somebody else just uses it instead of us...? :roll:

And do you have any idea how much of the country you would have to cover in expensive solar panels (which are not very efficient when they get warm) to replace fossil fuels used for transport with electricity? :shock:

No, don't bother answering that - you are clueless... :lol:


Selling Gas/Oil to those countries which need fossil fuels that cannot use solar because of inadequate sunshine hours, unlike Cyprus which can use solar - what's so difficult to understand about that?

As for replacing fossil fuels with solar and other greener forms of energy; it's those stuck in the carboniferous age like you that slow down progress. There's no reason why most homes in Cyprus cannot move over to solar energy 100% even now! That would constitute a huge saving in fossil fuel energy for other uses. And cars can be directly powered by solar and made economically viable with a little more research. But you're just a stuck in the mud Daily Mail reader who wants his fags, his beer, his gas-guzzling speedy drives and his rights to do whatever he wants regardless of the impact on others.
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Re: tesla motors

Postby boomerang » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:47 am

I don't care what anyone says....I just want the white zombie...what a car....
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Re: tesla motors

Postby cyprusgrump » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:05 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:We need to think of the environment and future sustainability. Cyprus sits in an ocean of sunshine. Solar --> electricity!

Leave the Gas/Oil to sell to cold, wet, cloudy countries! :)

(If they have any money ... They do seem to be on the grab ... )


So how would that help the environment if somebody else just uses it instead of us...? :roll:

And do you have any idea how much of the country you would have to cover in expensive solar panels (which are not very efficient when they get warm) to replace fossil fuels used for transport with electricity? :shock:

No, don't bother answering that - you are clueless... :lol:


Selling Gas/Oil to those countries which need fossil fuels that cannot use solar because of inadequate sunshine hours, unlike Cyprus which can use solar - what's so difficult to understand about that?

As for replacing fossil fuels with solar and other greener forms of energy; it's those stuck in the carboniferous age like you that slow down progress. There's no reason why most homes in Cyprus cannot move over to solar energy 100% even now! That would constitute a huge saving in fossil fuel energy for other uses. And cars can be directly powered by solar and made economically viable with a little more research. But you're just a stuck in the mud Daily Mail reader who wants his fags, his beer, his gas-guzzling speedy drives and his rights to do whatever he wants regardless of the impact on others.


You really are clueless... :roll:

I've seen houses here in Cyprus that have attempted to use solar (because they have no access to the grid)...

Even with a vast array of solar panels and a garage full of batteries (both of which are expensive and have short life spans - not to mention the poisonous lead used in the batteries) it is impossible to ensure a reliable electricity supply year round...

Unless of course you cook and heat with fossil fuels which somewhat defeats the objective of the vast investment you have just made in panels and batteries...

And of course, that is without using the precious electricity to try and run and electric car too....

Nobody is against the idea of 'free' electricity from the sun but the problem is that the technology isn't available yet - for production or storage - that is why we have to subsidise 'renewables' which in turn removes funding from research into better technology...
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Re: tesla motors

Postby cyprusgrump » Sun Mar 10, 2013 9:49 am

GreekIslandGirl wrote:As for replacing fossil fuels with solar and other greener forms of energy; it's those stuck in the carboniferous age like you that slow down progress.


By the way...

You should realise that the wheels are coming off the 'global warming' bandwagon...

More and more people understand (unlike you) that CO2 isn't the deadly gas that they have been led to believe and that AGW is just a scam to tax us all more...

... you need to be careful that it is not you stuck in an age of AGW belief when everybody else has moved on.... :wink:
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Re: tesla motors

Postby Jerry » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:04 pm

The Frogs have got the answer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVIwropRMME

Probably OK for nipping around hot cities but not much use in Alaska.
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Re: tesla motors

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:27 pm

cyprusgrump wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:As for replacing fossil fuels with solar and other greener forms of energy; it's those stuck in the carboniferous age like you that slow down progress.


By the way...

You should realise that the wheels are coming off the 'global warming' bandwagon...

More and more people understand (unlike you) that CO2 isn't the deadly gas that they have been led to believe and that AGW is just a scam to tax us all more...

... you need to be careful that it is not you stuck in an age of AGW belief when everybody else has moved on.... :wink:



It's not simply about CO2 levels. Fossil fuels are destructive to the environment for pollution (tanker spills, pipeline leaks, transport, etc), and also they are not limitless.

The greener move is more than just CO2 levels but your ability to appreciate that is simply because you fear change.

Without your sort of thinking, technology would have advanced faster and photovoltaic cells would have been far cheaper by now as well as alternative forms of storage of solar energy. Nevertheless, these have made a lot of headway and even in the UK an array of 10 or so cells is sufficient for a house, plus selling back excess to the grid. Cypriot homes would need fewer than this number and I know of one British person in Cyprus who has made this work in his home.
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Re: tesla motors

Postby cyprusgrump » Sun Mar 10, 2013 12:41 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
cyprusgrump wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:As for replacing fossil fuels with solar and other greener forms of energy; it's those stuck in the carboniferous age like you that slow down progress.


By the way...

You should realise that the wheels are coming off the 'global warming' bandwagon...

More and more people understand (unlike you) that CO2 isn't the deadly gas that they have been led to believe and that AGW is just a scam to tax us all more...

... you need to be careful that it is not you stuck in an age of AGW belief when everybody else has moved on.... :wink:



It's not simply about CO2 levels. Fossil fuels are destructive to the environment for pollution (tanker spills, pipeline leaks, transport, etc), and also they are not limitless.

The greener move is more than just CO2 levels but your ability to appreciate that is simply because you fear change.

Without your sort of thinking, technology would have advanced faster and photovoltaic cells would have been far cheaper by now as well as alternative forms of storage of solar energy. Nevertheless, these have made a lot of headway and even in the UK an array of 10 or so cells is sufficient for a house, plus selling back excess to the grid. Cypriot homes would need fewer than this number and I know of one British person in Cyprus who has made this work in his home.


In your fantasy world this may be true...

But in reality it is not...

Show me an example of 10 cells in the UK providing a house with electricity and selling excess back to the grid....

More likely, they sell direct to the grid and because the electricity they produce is subsidised (by ordinary taxpayers) at such a ridiculous level the revenue they receive exceeds the cost of the electricity they consume off the grid...

Take away the subsidy and it doesn't work at all...

I also know of a house in Cyprus which makes money out of selling the electricity to the grid from solar panels - but again, it is only because of the ridiculously high rate they are paid for it (several times the generating cost of traditional plants)...

In fact, so high are the subsidies that there have been examples of people using petrol generators to sell electricity back to the grid which they claim comes from solar! :lol:

The fact is that this only works when small numbers of people are receiving a subsidy provided by large numbers of taxpayers. If the roles were reversed we simply couldn't afford it...

And as I mentioned earlier, in a real-world situation with no grid connection it is difficult to produce (and store) enough electricity to keep you going 24/7 - even in Cyprus. the reality is that most houses in Cyprus don't have enough outside space to even begin to cover their electricity requirements by installing PV.

The reality is that it is subsidies that distort the market and prevent research into alternative energy forms. Why spend millions developing new solar panel;s for instance when the government (via the taxpayer) will pay you three times the value of the electricity you produce with the old ones...?

And why invest in new, efficient generating capacity when the government (via the taxpayer) will give you vast amounts of money for erecting useless windfarms and paying you for the electricity even when they don't produce any...?
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Re: tesla motors

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sun Mar 10, 2013 1:01 pm

OK - so you know of someone in Cyprus who has also made it work. Point proven! Selling to the grid is an extra I threw in. A normal home just needs to provide enough for itself. Many things come as solar-rechargeable now anyway; from laptops to desk-lamps to radios - even a fridge and water-pumps.

(There are no "tax-payers" subsidies as far as I'm aware - nor are they needed as industry can generate its own profit.)

And yes most homes in Cyprus will have enough room for 10 or so batteries (which are getting smaller and more powerful as research progresses) and apartment blocks can have a utility area to serve individual flats. These are all things that we could be investing in as the long-term rewards are beneficial to the environment as well as sustainability. Let's not have the Arabs overtake us on this one! They know their oil is running out - but their sunshine is not abating and they are investing here for the future!

Your main concern might be that this will not be immediately viable for the UK - but the UK knows that, which is why the UK is so ingrained in Oil wars to secure as much as possible for itself for the future. That's also why it has desperately tried to maintain footholds here for decades and why it now steadfastly holds onto the Falklands. But it has NO right to stump progress into Solar Energy for those who are more fortunate to have this as a limitless resource.
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