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[repulsewarrior]

...given that the impasse exists because in the Proxy War fought by "Turks" and "Greeks" neither is superior, wouldn't the Cypriot minority (if it existed as a political force) prove to be attractive as an electorate in a democratic battle, where their vote would hold the balance of power?

...the Republic should not be defending "Greeks", and it should not be seen to be defending "Greeks". it is a State where we as Citizens can seek to better our Fundamental Rights, and in so doing demonstrate our commitment to Universal Principals. in Cyprus, if the island is not to be torn in two, the People must force a change in the debate as it has been framed; shouldn't "Greeks" have their place where they can work to better "Greekness", where the debate is among Greeks? as it is, the Cypriot State is dysfunctional, Greeks (as opposed to "Greeks") have no voice per se; there is no Greek Constituency.

please discuss...

[Viewpoint]

The silence says everything.

[kentish]

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[stpier]

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[DrCyprus]

If someone could translate it from Aramaic then maybe the discussion could begin. The Google translator failed to give me a meaningful translation of the opening post whatever language option I selected.

[repulsewarrior]

...clear your mind for a moment Dr. if your intentions are the Freedom of Cyprus, and the Liberty of Cypriots, new thinking is needed.

i suggest the debate has been framed wrongly, a new perspective on the Problem is in order. because it suited the interlocutors, we are framed as "Turks" or not "Turks" ("Greeks"), and this has led to the marginalisation of Individual thinking. Those who are Cypriot, first, in this context are a minority, and as a minority like in any democracy, hold the balance of power. without a Cypriot movement, things stay the same, or worse return to the state of war, because this "Peace" is unnatural.

so, we know that a Republic exists, and we know that the overwhelming population is Greek, we know that other Nations form a part of the Cypriot identity, and we know that a Turkish Constituency seeks an equal as Constituencies, i suggest that the "Greek" state we have can identify to itself without needing the State to be its exclusive representative as people. i suggest that a movement of Cypriots can become a significant political force, if there existed for Greek Cypriots a means for their self-representation and sustenance, as Persons. it allows for a debate as Stewards, as Citizens, as Individuals, rather than a People of a Nation, because the Nation has a voice.

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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.

count them: three (at least) governing bodies.

...thus for Cyprus, i ask, "where is the Greek Constituency?"

[DrCyprus]

...clear your mind for a moment Dr. if your intentions are the Freedom of Cyprus, and the Liberty of Cypriots, new thinking is needed.

i suggest the debate has been framed wrongly, a new perspective on the Problem is in order. because it suited the interlocutors, we are framed as "Turks" or not "Turks" ("Greeks"), and this has led to the marginalisation of Individual thinking. Those who are Cypriot, first, in this context are a minority, and as a minority like in any democracy, hold the balance of power. without a Cypriot movement, things stay the same, or worse return to the state of war, because this "Peace" is unnatural.

so, we know that a Republic exists, and we know that the overwhelming population is Greek, we know that other Nations form a part of the Cypriot identity, and we know that a Turkish Constituency seeks an equal as Constituencies, i suggest that the "Greek" state we have can identify to itself without needing the State to be its exclusive representative as people. i suggest that a movement of Cypriots can become a significant political force, if there existed for Greek Cypriots a means for their self-representation and sustenance, as Persons. it allows for a debate as Stewards, as Citizens, as Individuals, rather than a People of a Nation, because the Nation has a voice.

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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.

count them: three (at least) governing bodies.

...thus for Cyprus, i ask, "where is the Greek Constituency?"

I speak Greek, but I don't wish to be framed as Greek, or Turkish or Slovenian. I'm Cypriot. I don't recognise other nations in my country, I just recognise Greek and Turkish speaking Cypriots. I don't care about what the ancestors of other people did hundreds or thousands of years ago and I ask them to mind their business.

[kurupetos]

...clear your mind for a moment Dr. if your intentions are the Freedom of Cyprus, and the Liberty of Cypriots, new thinking is needed.

i suggest the debate has been framed wrongly, a new perspective on the Problem is in order. because it suited the interlocutors, we are framed as "Turks" or not "Turks" ("Greeks"), and this has led to the marginalisation of Individual thinking. Those who are Cypriot, first, in this context are a minority, and as a minority like in any democracy, hold the balance of power. without a Cypriot movement, things stay the same, or worse return to the state of war, because this "Peace" is unnatural.

so, we know that a Republic exists, and we know that the overwhelming population is Greek, we know that other Nations form a part of the Cypriot identity, and we know that a Turkish Constituency seeks an equal as Constituencies, i suggest that the "Greek" state we have can identify to itself without needing the State to be its exclusive representative as people. i suggest that a movement of Cypriots can become a significant political force, if there existed for Greek Cypriots a means for their self-representation and sustenance, as Persons. it allows for a debate as Stewards, as Citizens, as Individuals, rather than a People of a Nation, because the Nation has a voice.

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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.

count them: three (at least) governing bodies.

...thus for Cyprus, i ask, "where is the Greek Constituency?"

I speak Greek, but I don't wish to be framed as Greek, or Turkish or Slovenian. I'm Cypriot. I don't recognise other nations in my country, I just recognise Greek and Turkish speaking Cypriots. I don't care about what the ancestors of other people did hundreds or thousands of years ago and I ask them to mind their business.

Have you ever lived in Cyprus, doc?

[DrCyprus]

...clear your mind for a moment Dr. if your intentions are the Freedom of Cyprus, and the Liberty of Cypriots, new thinking is needed.

i suggest the debate has been framed wrongly, a new perspective on the Problem is in order. because it suited the interlocutors, we are framed as "Turks" or not "Turks" ("Greeks"), and this has led to the marginalisation of Individual thinking. Those who are Cypriot, first, in this context are a minority, and as a minority like in any democracy, hold the balance of power. without a Cypriot movement, things stay the same, or worse return to the state of war, because this "Peace" is unnatural.

so, we know that a Republic exists, and we know that the overwhelming population is Greek, we know that other Nations form a part of the Cypriot identity, and we know that a Turkish Constituency seeks an equal as Constituencies, i suggest that the "Greek" state we have can identify to itself without needing the State to be its exclusive representative as people. i suggest that a movement of Cypriots can become a significant political force, if there existed for Greek Cypriots a means for their self-representation and sustenance, as Persons. it allows for a debate as Stewards, as Citizens, as Individuals, rather than a People of a Nation, because the Nation has a voice.

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That federation would comprise a federal government with a single international personality, along with a Turkish Cypriot constituent state and a Greek Cypriot constituent state, which would be of equal status.

count them: three (at least) governing bodies.

...thus for Cyprus, i ask, "where is the Greek Constituency?"

I speak Greek, but I don't wish to be framed as Greek, or Turkish or Slovenian. I'm Cypriot. I don't recognise other nations in my country, I just recognise Greek and Turkish speaking Cypriots. I don't care about what the ancestors of other people did hundreds or thousands of years ago and I ask them to mind their business.

Have you ever lived in Cyprus, doc?

'Ελα πε μου εσούνι ρε μαστραππά. Τον στρατό σου έκαμες τον όξα ακόμα?

[kurupetos]

Yes, and while serving, I trained charlies like you.