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[Nikitas]

Man you can be a knuckle head when you want. You honestly believe that the church in Greece did not exist till the 19th century! But people built churches centuries before that as what? Blody outdoor decor! You are trying to force a non issue.

Cypriot independence does not need any ethnic justification. While you are busy trying you are giving the other side plenty of ammo, cause they do have a provable ethnic bond and according to your gospel, cause to want a closer union with their motherland. Keep working at it, some day you might succeed.

[Get Real!]

Man you can be a knuckle head when you want. You honestly believe that the church in Greece did not exist till the 19th century! But people built churches centuries before that as what? Blody outdoor decor! You are trying to force a non issue.

So why in your opinion is there a 1,402 year discrepancy between these two churches?

I hope you can explain it well because if you don’t I will… tsie ego eimai thkiaolos na do xeris!

Cypriot independence does not need any ethnic justification. While you are busy trying you are giving the other side plenty of ammo, cause they do have a provable ethnic bond and according to your gospel, cause to want a closer union with their motherland. Keep working at it, some day you might succeed.

I'm interested in this part of your post, if you care to clearly explain how I'm lending credence to the enemy because I believe it's the other way round.

At the moment you just dropped an accusation; which even a 12 year old can do if they wish… but I’d like to hear the logic behind it if any.

[Sotos]

What the f*ck is going on here?

Your Hellenic brother is getting booted all the way back to Athens!

I just didn't want to ridicule you even more... I felt pity for you. But since you are asking for it...

The Cypriot alphabet...

There was never any Cypriot ALPHABET. It was a syllabary.

...is different to the Cypriot-Minoan...

No it isn't. The syllabary that was used to write non-Greek in Cyprus is the Cypro-Minoan syllabary. What followed was the Cypriot script which was used to write GREEK.

"Cyprus's ancient non-Greek, non-alphabetic inscriptions are of tremendous importance. While the earliest examples dating from as early as 1500 BCE cannot be read, comparisons clearly show that the Cypriot syllabary seemed to have derived from Linear A, and therefore is like a sibling to Linear B. For this reason, sometimes the script at this very early stage is called Cypro-Minoan, to distinguish it from the Cypriot script used for writing Greek after the 12th century BCE."
http://www.ancientscripts.com/cypriot.html

Religion is a very important factor before one can claim to be "civilised" because the other alternative is paganism!

Paganism is a form of religion you idiot. But now you decided that ancient Egyptians, Babylonians and even the "Great civilization of ancient Cypriots" were uncivilized, contradicting everything you said earlier

[Get Real!]

Is that the best you’ve got Sotos?

Syllabery, tryllabery, monolabery… they’re all scripts of alphabets!

Btw, there are two completely different Wiki articles explaining each…

Cypro-Minoan syllabary:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypro-Minoan_syllabary

Cypriot syllabary:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_syllabary

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[Sotos]

Is that the best you’ve got Sotos?

Syllabery, tryllabery, monolabery… they’re all scripts of alphabets!

Btw, there are two completely different Wiki articles explaining each…

Cypro-Minoan syllabary:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypro-Minoan_syllabary

Cypriot syllabary:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cypriot_syllabary

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Did you even READ the links you posted? There is nothing different from what I posted already. I could try to explain to you again but there is no point if you can't understand what is written! The conclusion is that in Cyprus we write in GREEK for 3200 years while a writing system that was used exclusively for non-Greek was used for a mere 300 years! And that non-Greek language has NOTHING to do with our language today which is clearly a Greek dialect. NOBODY speaks or even understands today the language that was used by the Cypro-Minoan script. And all alphabets are writing systems but not all writing systems are alphabets ... but even basic logic is beyond your little brain

[Nikitas]

For GR

The dioceses of the church in Greece were divided and ruled from Constantinople. Even today the Aegean islands are classed as "other territories" and belong, ecclesiastically, to the Patriarch and not the Athens Archbishop's jurisdiction. These are administrative matters. There was always a church official presence in Greece regardless of name. Cyprus was granted special status as a favor back in the fourth century and this proves nothing much.

Now the important part. The will to have an independent state is totally unconnected with our ethnnic origin or background. In the last resort we want an independent country cause etsi en i kavla mas sior! and for no other reason that we have to justify to anyone.

You, and mainland Greeks, cannot fathom this simple position. You try to find some obscure ethnic diversion from the Choirokitian days as justification, and they cannot see how a Greek island cannot be subjugated to the circus they call the modern Greek state. Turks take a more direct and crude route that matches their culture. They conquered the island, installed their colonists and that shows a vital ethnic link between TCs and mainland Turks on which they base their claims. See the relevance of the ethnic link now?

Objectively, Cyprus is a serious state with a modern administrative structure, as opposed to Greece which admits its weakness on this point but steadfastly refuses to reform. This has been stated over and over by foreign observers and officials who have had contact with both nations, most recently the Troika. If anyone should want to unite with anyone it should be Greece seeking to become part of Cyprus and not the other way round. Objectively that would be good for Hellenism too, that is for all Greeks everywhere. But that is my pet theory, not the gospel.

[repulsewarrior]

well said Nikitas. Frankly i am surprised that GR does not agree with you, I too think that Cyprus may well do a better job at sustaining the Hellenes as a PEOPLE.

Now the important part. The will to have an independent state is totally unconnected with our ethnnic origin or background. In the last resort we want an independent country cause etsi en i kavla mas sior! and for no other reason that we have to justify to anyone.

...especially since as a People, we are Cypriots, and as Persons living in this context there exists a Constituency demographically speaking that is by a large percentage, people who care about their being Greek. Like Hellenes around the world they need to feel connected to each other, not necessarily to Greece. In effect "Greekness" is bigger than what is defined geographically today as a Nation/State. Greeks can take pride in what Greeks do in Greece, but Greeks are more Citizens of the World, they come from its four corners, and for so long they did not even "have" a country; you don't have to be "Greek" to be Greek, (no less true in Greece but that is another story,) Greeks should not be reluctant to define themselves as such.

[Nikitas]

RW, you hit an important point, one often analysed by professor Christos Yannaras regarding overseas Hellenism as distinct from the Greek state.

Hellenism, says Yannaras, had a unique quality of otherness, rooted in its cultural roots, that allowe overseas Greeks to adopt western European norms yet retain their "otherness" (ετερότητα). Mxing with various nationalities not only did they not feel inferior, but their otherness gave them a special perspective.

The Greeks of Greece, says the professor, devoid of contact and broader horizons, simple aped foreign habits and dress while remaining deeply balkan and parochial, which explains why the Greek administration today is just as ottoman as it was in 1790. In this, former foreign minister Dora Bakoyannis echoes Yannaras in an article she wrote a couple of years ago stating that by and large Greeks behave as if the Turks never left.

A personal experience re the above that puts the general in more concrete terms. I told a Greek friend how the consul at the Cyprus Embassy in Athens picked up a direct phone link to the minsitry of the interior, gave my name and date of birth and asked "is he one of ours?".

"He asked if you were from X political party"? asked the Greek! In his narrow world view it was impossible to understand that a state employee used the word "ours" to include ALL citizens. The consul simply was asking if I was a registered citizen of RoC. Ours in my Greek friend's language means of our party, or at least of our clan. And naturally the direct and immediate technologically advanced phone link link that works like an inside line across two nations totally bypassed him.