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[miltiades]

Piratis, its good to see you posting again.

On a different matter, in the past you often referred to the " balance of power" changing.

I'm pleased to see that this process is slowly but surely taking place right now, I hope it continues.

I agree entirely with your views on Britain s role, since it was Britain who was the main protagonist in the drafting of the Zurich agreement.

A British Parliamentary debate also disapproved of Britain's failure as a guarantor power to act following the Turkish invasion.

Simon, you have, along with Paphitis, made some valid and wise points.

GR, my village IS Cyprus, my house IS Cyprus, all of the island is my motherland.

[Simon]

That is quite naive.

The Coup survived for 7 years and it had the support of a considerable chunk of the Greek population.

In fact, it was probably the most functional Greek Governments in Greek history. Even to this day, Greeks will tell you that the Junta completed many infrastructure projects because of their iron fist.

If that post was directed at me, then you are clearly confusing to separate things, the coup itself, and the junta. I was referring to the coup.

[Paphitis]

That is quite naive.

The Coup survived for 7 years and it had the support of a considerable chunk of the Greek population.

In fact, it was probably the most functional Greek Governments in Greek history. Even to this day, Greeks will tell you that the Junta completed many infrastructure projects because of their iron fist.

If that post was directed at me, then you are clearly confusing to separate things, the coup itself, and the junta. I was referring to the coup.

No it was not directed at you, but to the forum which is why I did not quote you directly.

The Coup was supported and sponsored by the Junta.

[Simon]

The coup would have failed because it did not have the support of the people, and Makarios was not killed as planned.

There was sufficient local support to establish a win over government forces and Makarios could’ve been dealt with later.

But putting that to one side, I think there is a fair legal argument for intervention from the other Guarantor powers following the coup, but as I have said, only to establish the status quo. What Turkey did was destroy the status quo - the exact opposite, which makes Turkey's invasion illegal, whatever Greece did before.

Greece is the one that overthrew the legitimate government of Cyprus (destroyed the status quo as you call it) not Turkey, yet you expect Turkey to do the right thing and restore it while washing Greece’s hands clean! Fancy that!

It is fairly simple GR. Similar to the concept of a breach of contract - there were two separate breaches, and therefore they can stand independently. One claim does not have to depend on the other.

Greece's violation facilitated and triggered that of Turkey so the notion that they are unrelated is ludicrous to say the least.

Greece’s intentional violation of the Treaty of Guarantee at the cost of well defined consequences, coupled with Turkey’s subsequent short term and long term reactions against Cyprus proves without any reasonable doubt the Greco-Turkish conspiracy against Cyprus that I’ve been talking about.

GR, we were talking about the law right?

So where does it say in the Treaty of Guarantee that if one party tries to destroy the status quo, the other can try even harder! It says the opposite.

You are talking stupid. Turkey's legal rights in that Treaty are clearly set out. Irrespective of Greece's actions 40 years ago, Turkish actions are obviously unlawful and unjustified, and they continue to this day. Cyprus would not need to "sue both" parties to succeed in any claim as you try to make out. You have a schoolboy's understanding of the law.

Greece's unlawful acts ended 40 years ago. I wish we could say the same about Turkey. Stop trying to justify Turkish actions! You are acting contrary to Cyprus' interests, out of some irrational hatred for Greece.

[Simon]

That is quite naive.

The Coup survived for 7 years and it had the support of a considerable chunk of the Greek population.

In fact, it was probably the most functional Greek Governments in Greek history. Even to this day, Greeks will tell you that the Junta completed many infrastructure projects because of their iron fist.

If that post was directed at me, then you are clearly confusing to separate things, the coup itself, and the junta. I was referring to the coup.

No it was not directed at you, but to the forum which is why I did not quote you directly.

The Coup was supported and sponsored by the Junta.

Ok, it just wasn't clear.

Yes the junta clearly engineered the coup, but the coup (in Cyprus) did not last for 7 years. I see that you meant the junta (and the coup in Greece rather than Cyprus).

[Paphitis]

That is quite naive.

The Coup survived for 7 years and it had the support of a considerable chunk of the Greek population.

In fact, it was probably the most functional Greek Governments in Greek history. Even to this day, Greeks will tell you that the Junta completed many infrastructure projects because of their iron fist.

If that post was directed at me, then you are clearly confusing to separate things, the coup itself, and the junta. I was referring to the coup.

No it was not directed at you, but to the forum which is why I did not quote you directly.

The Coup was supported and sponsored by the Junta.

Ok, it just wasn't clear.

Yes the junta clearly engineered the coup, but the coup (in Cyprus) did not last for 7 years. I see that you meant the junta (and the coup in Greece rather than Cyprus).

Of course the Coup wouldn't last for 7 years. It was the biggest fuck up in Greek History (literally).

It destroyed the 7 year Junta in Greece. It could never survive this debacle.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Just in case anyone is still not clear:

Kasoulides stressed that under no circumstances should Greece be likened to Turkey as regards the Cyprus problem.

Cyprus has been divided since 1974 when Turkish troops invaded and occupied the island’s northern third.

Kasoulides said deepening cooperation with Greece and coordinating action at all levels is a fundamental aim of the government.

http://famagusta-gazette.com/cyprus-and ... 176-69.htm

[Get Real!]

Just in case anyone is still not clear:

Kasoulides stressed that under no circumstances should Greece be likened to Turkey as regards the Cyprus problem.

Cyprus has been divided since 1974 when Turkish troops invaded and occupied the island’s northern third.

Kasoulides said deepening cooperation with Greece and coordinating action at all levels is a fundamental aim of the government.

http://famagusta-gazette.com/cyprus-and ... 176-69.htm

Just in case you’re not clear… Cyprus is infamous for her traitors.

[Paphitis]

Just in case anyone is still not clear:

Kasoulides stressed that under no circumstances should Greece be likened to Turkey as regards the Cyprus problem.

Cyprus has been divided since 1974 when Turkish troops invaded and occupied the island’s northern third.

Kasoulides said deepening cooperation with Greece and coordinating action at all levels is a fundamental aim of the government.

http://famagusta-gazette.com/cyprus-and ... 176-69.htm

Well then Greece can do something about it and abide by its Treaty Obligations.

http://www.mfa.gr/images/docs/kypriako/ ... rantee.pdf

[Get Real!]

Greece's unlawful acts ended 40 years ago.

I'm afraid not. Her double enosis arrangement with Turkey seems firmly in place.