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[ONURLU_1925]

Yeeeeees, yeeeeees, I love this silence too.
akiner, I wonder something.
Is there any evidence or document about the Greek casualties from a neutral and respectible source?
Can someone give?

[Mickleham]

Eoka and all this staff are things from the PAST!

Get it out of your systems!

Get into you systems that we are in EUROPE NOW and we should all have leave these outdated organization to rest in the past.

ALL THE CYPRIOTS HAVE TO THINK AND ACT LIKE THE NEW EUROPEAN CYPRIOTS OF THE 21ST CENTURY!

CYPRIOTS UNITE!

[cypezokyli]

exactly

[pg]

Leonidas my X-mas gift for u, maybe i was a bit late
http://www.zaman.com/?bl=international&alt=&trh=20051218&hn=27678

I hope you notice that the historians do not say there was no genocide - they just say these historical issues has no place in the legal system.

In short, there should be no laws saying that there WAS, or there WAS NOT a genocide. Naturally, those laws should go in bot France and Turkey so that the hsitorians are allowed an open discussion.

[lysi]

hey, can anyone tell me how many armenians were killed by the turks ?
also how many cypriot fighters did the british hang in the 1950s ?

and can anyone tell me if turkey has a good human rights record ?

[cypezokyli]

lysi , numbers are not important.
and just a piece of advice for you. dont play with eoka nummbers. you might be surprised
ask piratis he has some numbers were we have suffered more.
it seems that the cyprus problem is becoming a math problem?
would you say that albert einstain would help?

just a couple if quotes i think he would:

The attempt to combine wisdom and power has only rarely been successful and then only for a short while.

If my theory of relativity is proven successful, Germany will claim me as a German and France will declare that I am a citizen of the world

Try not to become a man of success but rather to become a man of value.

lets trust a natural scientist. perhaps he will have more success

[cypezokyli]

on a second thought i googled einsteins quotes. read them and tell me if he doesnt have the solution to the cyprus problem :

"Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts." (Sign hanging in Einstein's office at Princeton)

"Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism -- how passionately I hate them!"

"Whoever undertakes to set himself up as a judge of Truth and Knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the gods."

"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the the universe." (i always thought from where did i steal that)

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."

"The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education."

"The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources."

# "Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."

Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."

"In order to form an immaculate member of a flock of sheep one must, above all, be a sheep."

"Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds."

# "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.

and the most beautiful of all
# "I want to know God's thoughts; the rest are details."

[Piratis]

it seems that the cyprus problem is becoming a math problem?

The Cyprus Problem is that Turkey is violating international law and the human and legal rights of Cypriots (both TCs and GCs) are violated.

Shouldn't the solution be the one that solves the problem?

The solution: End of occupation (solves the international law violation problem), and the respect of the human, legal and democratic rights of all Cypriots in a country with a constitution similar to the ones of all other EU countries. Were exactly you disagree with this cypezokyli? Can you be a bit more specific please?

[Viewpoint]

The road map to get the will it come form Heaven?????

[Lala_Mustafa_Pasha]

some questions that just come to mind for tcs:
how did the tcs feel about the british rule before the eoka period. conquerors ? protectors?

Occupiers, however, they did a much better job keeping peace then EOKA Terrorists did thats for sure.

were all eoka members anti-tcs or some did really fought for their freedom?

Freedom? jeeez, I really dont think the Akritos plan, Enosis, and attitudes such as, Cyprus is Greek we must wipe off every Turk, lets tie Cyprus to Greece says alot for freedom, its more greed than anything, why should we accept being part of Greece since when in history was Cyprus governed by Greeks etc etc etc

despite the fact that the general view is that TMT was a responce to EOKA would you support its actions and goals?

Go to International Law, check under Treaty IV Legal Guaranteur rights and you will discover Turkiye had a legal guaranteur rights as protector of Turkish people of the Island (the Brittish also did by the way), I mean if 15 years of suffering EOKA Terrorism and Enosis wasnt bad enough there were then Coups Of course it was a respose and a Legal response, this is the EOKA Greek Junta's fault, if they never started this problem TMT would not have to enter to protect its people.

if eoka didnt happen how did the tc view the future of cyprus at the time?

I believe it would have been a much smoother journey, comprimises would have been made on both side but Cyprus would be one country today with Greek and Turk side by side, this has all been ruined now and can never happen.

if the gc are in a position today to accept that the enosis target of eoka was wrong , could you forgive ?

Not only have we suffered physically we have also suffered mentally, no-one in the world for years would comment about the attrocities carried out against us, this angered us more than anything, the feeling that our blood is so cheap and that were treated no better then dogs, I mean if we were dogs Human Rights would be protesting till this day demanding apologees, condemnation and compensation.

We are a forgiving people, maybe in time we will forgive but as I said what is most sickening is lack of regard for human life and double standards towards Turks. This is a main source of anger for us believe me.