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[Nikitas]

TC negotiator Orsai gave an interview to Athens daily Kathimerini a few days ago. Asked about the application of the EU aquis he gave the rationalisation of a "viable state" noting that it is just not possible to accept the basic freedoms if that will mean too many GCs in the north. Even if the GC residents exercise their political rights in the GC state, he said, their mere presence would render the TC state non viable.

There is a fundamentally false assumption there, and this assumption has been plaguing the TC position and thereby the talks for ever. The false assumption is that post settlement they will be able to control the TC population as to the choice of residence. Exactly how Orsai can fathom that some, perhaps many, possibly even the majority, ot TCs will not opt to move south? What would prevent them? If it is the TCs that move out, and not the GCs moving in to the TC statelet what does that do to "viability"?

This kind of approach, combined with the twists and turns re the presidency, the EU aquis in general and above all the territory and properties issue is telling. It shows that the TC side is not approaching the talks with any understanding about the meaning of federation, or even confederation. And as we saw over the gas finds in the far south EEZ, Turkey is not ready even for partition, the solution they have been pushing for decades.

Someone obviously needs a fundamental change of mind here.

[Nikitas]

Additional to the above, is the possibility that post settlement we might end up with a northern statelet inhabited mostly by colonists, and the south inhabited by a mixed Cypriot population, pretty much the way things were before the start of the intercommunal conflicts in the 50s. This possibility is not considered by either side, even though the signs that it might come about are there today. In other words the north statelet will be a concession to Turkey while all Cypriots gravitate to the south.

Which is why I keep harping on about the importance of territory. Governance and all such niceties will mean FA if things go pear shaped.

[Maximus]

yes, there needs to be a fundamental change of mind. Almost a paradigm shift.

There needs to be a shift away from negotiating along the lines of sharing and give and take and more along the lines of return to us what is rightfully ours and everyone who is not with us or legitimately entitled to be in Cyprus, get out.

Here is Yusuf Kanli, who thinks the TC's can break away with the stolen loot and then automatically join the EU with Turkish guarantees. Then we will all live happily ever after in two states.

Cypriot unity in the EU

At the end of the day, if both get into the EU, then there will not be permanent derogations or such hurdles either. Since Turkey’s guarantee will be valid only for the Turkish Cypriot state, Greek Cypriots would not need to worry about Turkey’s right to unilateral intervention either.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/cyprio ... sCatID=425

They haven't got a clue anymore from all the propaganda and none sense over the years. These plonkers will lead the RoC in to never never land if you let them and we will come out worse for wear.

Don't let history repeat itself, there needs to be a clear separation and an end to the occupation of Cyprus, without shackles.

[MrH]

What a donkey. He was very quick to criticize the former GC leader on the same delay tactics, even endorsing the Annan Plan, while doing it himself. Of course - ALL New GC leaders Do Need to get Re-Washed by the Greek Cypriot Church before assuming office, it's a precondition of the ROC! It certainly does seem like he got his ear pulled by Chrysostomos II of Cyprus the Great! I've heard he's worse than the former Grivas when it comes to the Turks LOL What a waste of time.

Anastasiadis the "ντομάτα", What a laugh - The Donkey!

[bill cobbett]

A summary today from the CY PIO gives a very clear report of the tense nature of the Pres A/Eroglu meeting, over the issue of TERRITORY ...

"... Meanwhile, Verda Ozer, of Turkish daily Hurriyet (04.06.14), reports that after his meeting with President Anastasiades on Monday, Eroglu met with a group of Turkish journalists who were visiting the island. Ozer writes that Eroglu entered into the room “sullen face” and said that tension existed in the meeting, with the leaders raising their voice from time to time. She says that the most critical issue was the territory, as the Greek Cypriots want the return of 100 thousand Greek Cypriot refugees back to their occupied homes. She goes on and reports, inter alia, the following:

“…According to Eroglu, these are dense populated places. Therefore, he says, Greek cantons will be formed in Turkish areas and this will create economic and social problems for the Turkish Cypriot people. Exactly for this reason, the issue of the territory should be discussed at the very end, according to Eroglu. The Greek Cypriots are in favor of its discussion at this stage. Eroglu interprets this as follows: ‘The ‘Greek Cypriots want the negotiations to enter into deadlock and the perception that ‘look the Turks do not want a solution’ to be created. ..."

[Maximus]

Its because he was making apartheidist and fascist propositions.

He is a rogue and a bandit. This issue will not be resolved through talks while Turkey occupies Cyprus. It will be resolved when Turkey is sufficiently distracted elsewhere, weakened and fleeting from the north to save her own a$$, so the national guard can literally just walk over there and pick everything back up.

Eroglu will be the first to scarper and board the next ship setting sail for Mersin.

[bill cobbett]

Oh...Is war-talk really helpful Maxi....???

Is Pres A right in insisting that the matter of Territory be raised at this time... ???

Perhaps this bit of the Joint Declaration might resolve matters, without the deaths of thousands again...

" ... 6. The appointed representatives are fully empowered to discuss any issue at any time ... "

[Maximus]

Oh...Is war-talk really helpful Maxi....???

Is Pres A right in insisting that the matter of Territory be raised at this time... ???

Perhaps this bit of the Joint Declaration might resolve matters, without the deaths of thousands again...

" ... 6. The appointed representatives are fully empowered to discuss any issue at any time ... "

Everything has to be raised and discussed interoperably all the time. He is right.

Sorry Bill, but thousands have already been killed in Syria and thousands more will die from Turkish hands before they end their occupation of Cyprus.

[boulio]

A summary today from the CY PIO gives a very clear report of the tense nature of the Pres A/Eroglu meeting, over the issue of TERRITORY ...

"... Meanwhile, Verda Ozer, of Turkish daily Hurriyet (04.06.14), reports that after his meeting with President Anastasiades on Monday, Eroglu met with a group of Turkish journalists who were visiting the island. Ozer writes that Eroglu entered into the room “sullen face” and said that tension existed in the meeting, with the leaders raising their voice from time to time. She says that the most critical issue was the territory, as the Greek Cypriots want the return of 100 thousand Greek Cypriot refugees back to their occupied homes. She goes on and reports, inter alia, the following:

“…According to Eroglu, these are dense populated places. Therefore, he says, Greek cantons will be formed in Turkish areas and this will create economic and social problems for the Turkish Cypriot people. Exactly for this reason, the issue of the territory should be discussed at the very end, according to Eroglu. The Greek Cypriots are in favor of its discussion at this stage. Eroglu interprets this as follows: ‘The ‘Greek Cypriots want the negotiations to enter into deadlock and the perception that ‘look the Turks do not want a solution’ to be created. ..."

the 100,000 reurned refugees is a bear minimum. The annan plan had 90,000 returning with a land split of 71.5-28.5% the % should be closer to 75-25% were as a total of 120,000 refugees have a right to return and the rest if they wish to live in a northern stae with full rights oof any eu citizen.

[Maximus]

Eroglu knows that a TC state is not viable and its not. So he will now collapse the talks and blame the people he is trying to frack over.

I do not see anything Cypriot in him.