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[MrH]

Venizelos was talking, inter alia, about improving relations between mainland Greece and Turkey and the need to strengthen ties to improve stability in the Eastern Mediterranean.

“Our firm position is that an agreed, comprehensive, viable, functional and just solution can be reached based on the resolutions of the U.N. Security Council and the European acquis. In the present phase, we are awaiting an exchange of proposals from both sides on all the issues in the talks, as has been agreed on. We also think it would be positive if there was a favourable response from the Turkish Cypriot and Turkish sides to the very constructive proposals made by Cypriot President [Nicos] Anastasiades for the adoption of confidence-building measures, with the focus on the opening of Famagusta,” he said.

Answer:
1) The European Acquis means Nothing to the Turkish Cypriots as the TRNC and Turkey are not part of this Club. Until turkey becomes a Full member of the EU, the EU Acquis is more of a distraction!

2) Any movement on the issue of the Varosha/Famagusta area will be part of a Comprehensive settlement and Not a confidence building measure.

3) The Turkish Cypriots have given their Proposals many times over in recent history; please refer to the Annan Plan 5 for the same list as it will not be much different to that. But, if you want to know, here it is:

a) A new united Cyprus must consist of Two Equal Federated/Constituent States.
b) All powers of the "Central" government are to be based on an Equal footing.
c) Turkey's Guarantor rights are to remain.

Any swaying on the above means Deadlock.

Thank you.

[Kikapu]

Venizelos was talking, inter alia, about improving relations between mainland Greece and Turkey and the need to strengthen ties to improve stability in the Eastern Mediterranean.

“Our firm position is that an agreed, comprehensive, viable, functional and just solution can be reached based on the resolutions of the U.N. Security Council and the European acquis. In the present phase, we are awaiting an exchange of proposals from both sides on all the issues in the talks, as has been agreed on. We also think it would be positive if there was a favourable response from the Turkish Cypriot and Turkish sides to the very constructive proposals made by Cypriot President [Nicos] Anastasiades for the adoption of confidence-building measures, with the focus on the opening of Famagusta,” he said.

Answer:
1) The European Acquis means Nothing to the Turkish Cypriots as the TRNC and Turkey are not part of this Club. Until turkey becomes a Full member of the EU, the EU Acquis is more of a distraction!

2) Any movement on the issue of the Varosha/Famagusta area will be part of a Comprehensive settlement and Not a confidence building measure.

3) The Turkish Cypriots have given their Proposals many times over in recent history; please refer to the Annan Plan 5 for the same list as it will not be much different to that. But, if you want to know, here it is:

a) A new united Cyprus must consist of Two Equal Federated/Constituent States.
b) All powers of the "Central" government are to be based on an Equal footing.
c) Turkey's Guarantor rights are to remain.

Any swaying on the above means Deadlock.

Thank you.

It is true that Turkey and the illegal entity "trnc" are not members of the EU and will NEVER be. So what? The way Turkey is going these days, they are heading towards the last century rather than the next one, so for Turkey, the EU has become a vanishing mirage. However, the RoC is not negotiating with the "trnc", but with the TCs themselves, who are Full EU citizens, and ALL those TCs who are also RoC passport holders, in the eyes of all those referring to the RoC only as "Greek Cyprus" such as Turkey and Turkey’s puppets in the north, by definition are also "Greek Cypriots", who are also Full EU members, so which ever you cut it, the ONLY ones who are not EU citizens in the north are ALL the Illegal Alien settlers who have ZERO rights in the settlement talks between the EU citizens GCs and the EU citizens TCs. Turkey is involved only because they are the occupying force in the north and what ever value, if any, left in their rights as the "Guarantor Power" from the 60's.

As for the AP 5 proposals, they were Dead & Buried in 2004 (rest in pieces), since it cannot meet the European Acquis in a million years, specially since 100% of the island of Cyprus is already in the EU since 2004.

[Viewpoint]

Then suprise suprise another dead end.

[Kikapu]

Then suprise suprise another dead end.

Then change something.

The RoC can only go with the EU norms for Cyprus, or do you know another way for the RoC to break the EU norms to give you what you want which are against the EU norms?

[Viewpoint]

Then suprise suprise another dead end.

Then change something.

The RoC can only go with the EU norms for Cyprus, or do you know another way for the RoC to break the EU norms to give you what you want which are against the EU norms?

Transition periods and derrogations, ever heard of them?

[boulio]

transition period yes,permanent derrogations no.

[Viewpoint]

transition period yes,permanent derrogations no.

Depends on the issue at hand it may never be an issue but that cannot be specified at this time.

[Kikapu]

Then suprise suprise another dead end.

Then change something.

The RoC can only go with the EU norms for Cyprus, or do you know another way for the RoC to break the EU norms to give you what you want which are against the EU norms?

Transition periods and derrogations, ever heard of them?

Sure I have, but none of them violate other citizens’ Democratic or Human Rights in their own country.

Lets hear on which issues you would want to have Transitional and Derogations that does not violate other Cypriot citizens Democratic and Human Rights in Cyprus.

Be very very specific with your answers please.

[Viewpoint]

Then suprise suprise another dead end.

Then change something.

The RoC can only go with the EU norms for Cyprus, or do you know another way for the RoC to break the EU norms to give you what you want which are against the EU norms?

Transition periods and derrogations, ever heard of them?

Sure I have, but none of them violate other citizens’ Democratic or Human Rights in their own country.

Lets hear on which issues you would want to have Transitional and Derogations that does not violate other Cypriot citizens Democratic and Human Rights in Cyprus.

Be very very specific with your answers please.

The Cyprus Donkey being allowed to reside in the North state.

[MrH]

Kikapu Wrote:

As for the AP 5 proposals, they were Dead & Buried in 2004 (rest in pieces), since it cannot meet the European Acquis in a million years, specially since 100% of the island of Cyprus is already in the EU since 2004.

You keep on forgetting that it was the Turkish Cypriots whom were tricked in 2004, where the Greek Cypriots were still allowed to enter the ranks of the EU after their nationalistic resounding "OXI" of the UN Sponsored and internationally agreed formula. While, the EU were disgraced by retracking from their "VIRBAL" promise to us Turkish Cypriots. As this mistrust still exists today with the continuation of the plight of the TCs still being Isolated, I would say that it was the Turkish Cypriots whom were the losers. Wake up my good man and understand the true intentions of the EU on Cyprus as if it were not for Turkey, the Turkish Cypriots woul dbe nothing more than a minority of less than 11% of the entire population of Cyprus......unless you like to feel worthless then that's another matter!