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For nearly 2000 years Cyprus and the Levant were one and the same…

http://www.timemaps.com/civilization/Phoenicians


Prior to that, Cyprus was a recognized independent kingdom and regional power during the cradle of civilization under the name Alashia, as proven by the Amarna letters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarna_letters


You simply won’t find any association between a “Greece” or “Greeks” and Cyprus.

[Paphitis]

For nearly 2000 years Cyprus and the Levant were one and the same…

http://www.timemaps.com/civilization/Phoenicians


Prior to that, Cyprus was a recognized independent kingdom and regional power during the cradle of civilization under the name Alashia, as proven by the Amarna letters:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amarna_letters


You simply won’t find any association between a “Greece” or “Greeks” and Cyprus.

You mean you won't find any association between Cypriots and the Egyptians, Lebanese or whatever.

There is plenty of commonality between Cypriots and Greece as well as Europe at large, and consequently the new world!

The only Middle Easterners we could share some DNA markers with, are the Jews. There was probably a lot of interaction between us over 2000 years ago and the Phoenicians.

Both pre date the current middle Eastern basket case of a bordello which we have nothing in common with.

[GreekIslandGirl]

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So there are genetic commonalities between Cypriots and Europeans, there are genetic commonalities between Greeks and Sub-Saharan Africans:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11260506

What are the genetic commonalities between Indians and Chinese? Yet they are both Asian.

Are you saying that it is wishful thinking for Lebanese to consider themselves Middle Eastern?

Thanks for reminding of that discreditied bit of FYROM propaganda. That paper is used as a prime example of pseudoscience!

Abstract: Arnaiz-Villena et al. published five papers making the claim of a Sub-Saharan African origin for Greeks. Hajjej et al. essentially published copies of Arnaiz-Villena's studies using the same methods, and data sets. World leading geneticists have rejected Arnaiz-Villena's methodology (the primary defect is that they relied on too few genetic markers to reliably compare populations). Numerous studies using proper methodology and multiple genetic markers are presented, showing that Greeks cluster genetically with the rest of the Europeans, disproving Arnaiz-Villena's claims. History, as well as genetics, have been misused by Arnaiz-Villena's (and by extension Hajjej's) unprofessional statements and by their omissions and misquotations of scientific and historical citations. The abuse of scientific methods has earned Arnaiz-Villena's research a citation in a genetics textbook as an example of arbitrary interpretation and a deletion of one of his papers from the scientific literature. In order to protect science from misuse, the related papers of Arnaiz-Villena et al. and Hajjej et al. should also be retracted from the scientific literature.

Jobling et al., in their genetics textbook "Human Evolutionary Genetics: Origins, Peoples & Disease", state that Arnaiz-Villena’s conclusions on the Sub-Saharan origin of Greeks, is an example of arbitrary interpretation and that the methodology used is not appropriate for this kind of research.[30] Karatzios C. et al., made a systematic review of genetics and historical documents, showing great flaws in Arnaiz-Villena’s methodology and theory on the Greeks/Sub-Saharan genetic relationship.[31]
Three respected geneticists, Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Alberto Piazza and Neil Risch, criticised Arnaiz-Villena's methodology.[32]

And, something on the general reliability of the idiot pseudoscientists that you seem to idolise...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Arnaiz-Villena

In 2002, Arnaiz-Villena was suspended without pay from the Hospital Doce de Octubre after being charged with embezzlement of funds thought to exceed EUR 300,000.[50] An audit of the section that Arnaiz directed found accounting irregularities of at least EUR 861,000.[51] Arnaiz-Villena was also accused of the "purchase of products not used in his department's health care activities; purchase of hospital products used in health care activities but in quantities much greater than needed; falsification of statistical data apparently to justify purchases; humiliating treatment of department staff; delay in health care activities; and transfer of department products to the university."[52] In March 2003, judges canceled his suspension, ruling it violated the presumption of innocence, and permitting him to return to his post.[53] However, in November 2003 the Court of Administrative Litigation No. 8 of Madrid confirmed the non-criminal charges and sentenced him to 33 months of suspension from work without pay. It did not consider the charge of embezzlement, which was still pending.[54]

[tsukoui]

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So there are genetic commonalities between Cypriots and Europeans, there are genetic commonalities between Greeks and Sub-Saharan Africans:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11260506

What are the genetic commonalities between Indians and Chinese? Yet they are both Asian.

Are you saying that it is wishful thinking for Lebanese to consider themselves Middle Eastern?

Thanks for reminding of that discreditied bit of FYROM propaganda. That paper is used as a prime example of pseudoscience!

Abstract: Arnaiz-Villena et al. published five papers making the claim of a Sub-Saharan African origin for Greeks. Hajjej et al. essentially published copies of Arnaiz-Villena's studies using the same methods, and data sets. World leading geneticists have rejected Arnaiz-Villena's methodology (the primary defect is that they relied on too few genetic markers to reliably compare populations). Numerous studies using proper methodology and multiple genetic markers are presented, showing that Greeks cluster genetically with the rest of the Europeans, disproving Arnaiz-Villena's claims. History, as well as genetics, have been misused by Arnaiz-Villena's (and by extension Hajjej's) unprofessional statements and by their omissions and misquotations of scientific and historical citations. The abuse of scientific methods has earned Arnaiz-Villena's research a citation in a genetics textbook as an example of arbitrary interpretation and a deletion of one of his papers from the scientific literature. In order to protect science from misuse, the related papers of Arnaiz-Villena et al. and Hajjej et al. should also be retracted from the scientific literature.

Jobling et al., in their genetics textbook "Human Evolutionary Genetics: Origins, Peoples & Disease", state that Arnaiz-Villena’s conclusions on the Sub-Saharan origin of Greeks, is an example of arbitrary interpretation and that the methodology used is not appropriate for this kind of research.[30] Karatzios C. et al., made a systematic review of genetics and historical documents, showing great flaws in Arnaiz-Villena’s methodology and theory on the Greeks/Sub-Saharan genetic relationship.[31]
Three respected geneticists, Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Alberto Piazza and Neil Risch, criticised Arnaiz-Villena's methodology.[32]

And, something on the general reliability of the idiot pseudoscientists that you seem to idolise...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Arnaiz-Villena

In 2002, Arnaiz-Villena was suspended without pay from the Hospital Doce de Octubre after being charged with embezzlement of funds thought to exceed EUR 300,000.[50] An audit of the section that Arnaiz directed found accounting irregularities of at least EUR 861,000.[51] Arnaiz-Villena was also accused of the "purchase of products not used in his department's health care activities; purchase of hospital products used in health care activities but in quantities much greater than needed; falsification of statistical data apparently to justify purchases; humiliating treatment of department staff; delay in health care activities; and transfer of department products to the university."[52] In March 2003, judges canceled his suspension, ruling it violated the presumption of innocence, and permitting him to return to his post.[53] However, in November 2003 the Court of Administrative Litigation No. 8 of Madrid confirmed the non-criminal charges and sentenced him to 33 months of suspension from work without pay. It did not consider the charge of embezzlement, which was still pending.[54]

I am aware that it is pseudo-science. That is precisely my point. There are genetic commonalities between all peoples.

[Paphitis]

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So there are genetic commonalities between Cypriots and Europeans, there are genetic commonalities between Greeks and Sub-Saharan Africans:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11260506

What are the genetic commonalities between Indians and Chinese? Yet they are both Asian.

Are you saying that it is wishful thinking for Lebanese to consider themselves Middle Eastern?

Thanks for reminding of that discreditied bit of FYROM propaganda. That paper is used as a prime example of pseudoscience!

Abstract: Arnaiz-Villena et al. published five papers making the claim of a Sub-Saharan African origin for Greeks. Hajjej et al. essentially published copies of Arnaiz-Villena's studies using the same methods, and data sets. World leading geneticists have rejected Arnaiz-Villena's methodology (the primary defect is that they relied on too few genetic markers to reliably compare populations). Numerous studies using proper methodology and multiple genetic markers are presented, showing that Greeks cluster genetically with the rest of the Europeans, disproving Arnaiz-Villena's claims. History, as well as genetics, have been misused by Arnaiz-Villena's (and by extension Hajjej's) unprofessional statements and by their omissions and misquotations of scientific and historical citations. The abuse of scientific methods has earned Arnaiz-Villena's research a citation in a genetics textbook as an example of arbitrary interpretation and a deletion of one of his papers from the scientific literature. In order to protect science from misuse, the related papers of Arnaiz-Villena et al. and Hajjej et al. should also be retracted from the scientific literature.

Jobling et al., in their genetics textbook "Human Evolutionary Genetics: Origins, Peoples & Disease", state that Arnaiz-Villena’s conclusions on the Sub-Saharan origin of Greeks, is an example of arbitrary interpretation and that the methodology used is not appropriate for this kind of research.[30] Karatzios C. et al., made a systematic review of genetics and historical documents, showing great flaws in Arnaiz-Villena’s methodology and theory on the Greeks/Sub-Saharan genetic relationship.[31]
Three respected geneticists, Luca Cavalli-Sforza, Alberto Piazza and Neil Risch, criticised Arnaiz-Villena's methodology.[32]

And, something on the general reliability of the idiot pseudoscientists that you seem to idolise...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Arnaiz-Villena

In 2002, Arnaiz-Villena was suspended without pay from the Hospital Doce de Octubre after being charged with embezzlement of funds thought to exceed EUR 300,000.[50] An audit of the section that Arnaiz directed found accounting irregularities of at least EUR 861,000.[51] Arnaiz-Villena was also accused of the "purchase of products not used in his department's health care activities; purchase of hospital products used in health care activities but in quantities much greater than needed; falsification of statistical data apparently to justify purchases; humiliating treatment of department staff; delay in health care activities; and transfer of department products to the university."[52] In March 2003, judges canceled his suspension, ruling it violated the presumption of innocence, and permitting him to return to his post.[53] However, in November 2003 the Court of Administrative Litigation No. 8 of Madrid confirmed the non-criminal charges and sentenced him to 33 months of suspension from work without pay. It did not consider the charge of embezzlement, which was still pending.[54]

I am aware that it is pseudo-science. That is precisely my point. There are genetic commonalities between all peoples.

There are genetic commonalities between Chimps and humans.

There are cultural commonalities between Cypriots and Europeans as well as the DNA markers.

[Get Real!]

Cyprus’ ancient relationships with other peoples in the region according to Greeks:

Legend:
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1. Red Arrows = Strictly forbidden routes!

2. Blue Arrows = Preferred and acceptable routes!

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So please ignore the fact that Cyprus is in the Middle East…they never had anything to do with those ragheads!

[Mustiejodu]

Really have you looked in the mirror ? You don't look European to me . You all look like Arabs to me . You have the same colouring and the same features . The Greeks from Greece are 100% European as they are very fair in complexion and their features included . Most of you have huge noses and don't even deny this . Go and check out your genes you will be surprised to find you are deluding yourselves .

[Mustiejodu]

Just because you dress like Europeans it don't mean you are European . Go and wear the outfits Arabs wear and see that you won't look any different . Get one of your women to wear a hijab and see you won't look any different .

[Cap]

Dunno, there doesn't seem to be any strong pull to the Arab states and Islam.
Even TC's are reluctant.

Hell, if ISIS ever got their way, every TC would be hung from a tree and decapitated for apostasy.

The Republic is a pretty liberal place.
Alcohol runs freely... strong alcohol, like Zivania, made in Cyprus. We have half naked beach babes all year round, There's no Sharia law, our women are in politics, there are women lawyers, women drivers etc.... no hijabs, burkas etc.
The consumption of pork is like a national pass time in Cyprus. lol
Wine making is a tradition going back thousands of years.

Hell.. Britain is probably more Arab than Cyprus.

[Get Real!]

Dunno, there doesn't seem to be any strong pull to the Arab states and Islam.

No shit! We're neither Arabs nor Muslims so why should there be a "pull"?

But this is our region and we’re used to them being next door to us, so we don’t have Arab-phobia or Islamo-phobia.

They’re in their part of the ME and we’re in ours.