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[Viewpoint]

Dont you GCs think it ironic and also hypocritical that you wanted to get rid of British Rule by killing Brits to become part of Greece yet had no problem moving to the UK for a better life, why didnt you all go live in Greece?

I seem to recall that many nationals of countries that fought for independence either against the Brits or others have emigrated to those very countries they fought against. Why should we all go and live in Greece, why dont you go and live in Turkey.

May I also add that millions of immigrants who despice our way of life in the West are killing themselves trying to get into Europe !!

How ironic, we TCs never fought against the Brits nor did we demand union with Turkey....but you did both by killing Brits and demanding that we gift Cyprus to Greece. Then you have the audacity to go benefit from a country you fought and dispised....if thats not being hypocritical I dont know what is.

[Demonax]

Dont you GCs think it ironic and also hypocritical that you wanted to get rid of British Rule by killing Brits to become part of Greece yet had no problem moving to the UK for a better life, why didnt you all go live in Greece?

I seem to recall that many nationals of countries that fought for independence either against the Brits or others have emigrated to those very countries they fought against. Why should we all go and live in Greece, why dont you go and live in Turkey.

May I also add that millions of immigrants who despice our way of life in the West are killing themselves trying to get into Europe !!

How ironic, we TCs never fought against the Brits nor did we demand union with Turkey....but you did both by killing Brits and demanding that we gift Cyprus to Greece. Then you have the audacity to go benefit from a country you fought and dispised....if thats not being hypocritical I dont know what is.

Just because Greek Cypriots fought against the British in the 1950s it doesn't mean they should continue to despise them. In the same way, Britain allowed many of its former colonists who fought against it to live amongst them. Greek Cypriots are not the only ones who fought the British. Many Irish people fought against Britain for independence yet Britain has a large and thriving Anglo-Irish population. Same with Indians.

There are many Brits who now live in Cyprus just as there are many Cypriots who live in England. You should not mistake a desire for freedom as a hatred of the Other.

[Viewpoint]

Dont you GCs think it ironic and also hypocritical that you wanted to get rid of British Rule by killing Brits to become part of Greece yet had no problem moving to the UK for a better life, why didnt you all go live in Greece?

I seem to recall that many nationals of countries that fought for independence either against the Brits or others have emigrated to those very countries they fought against. Why should we all go and live in Greece, why dont you go and live in Turkey.

May I also add that millions of immigrants who despice our way of life in the West are killing themselves trying to get into Europe !!

How ironic, we TCs never fought against the Brits nor did we demand union with Turkey....but you did both by killing Brits and demanding that we gift Cyprus to Greece. Then you have the audacity to go benefit from a country you fought and dispised....if thats not being hypocritical I dont know what is.

Just because Greek Cypriots fought against the British it doesn't mean they should despise them for all time. In the same way, Britain allowed many of its former colonists who fought against it to live amongst them. Cypriots are not the only ones who fought the British. Many Irish people fought against Britain for independence yet Britain has a large and thriving Anglo- Irish population.

There are many Brits who now live in Cyprus just as there are many Cypriots who live in England. You should not mistake a desire for freedom as a hatred of the Other.

Hypocrites.

[Demonax]

Hypocrites.

The British love Cyprus. They come here to holiday, to retire, to explore our beautiful island. Some know full well we fought against them. Some don't know and don't care. Why are they being hypocrites? We welcome them as equals now. Not as our colonial masters.

Similarly, we go to England to holiday, study, live and settle, as equals. As members of the EU now. Not as subjects of the British Crown anymore.

You must try and get over your primitive prejudices, VP. Try and move on. We have.

[Viewpoint]

Hypocrites.

The British love Cyprus. They come here to holiday, to retire, to explore our beautiful island. Some know full well we fought against them. Some don't know and don't care. Why are they being hypocrites? We welcome them as equals now. Not as our colonial masters.

Similarly, we go to England to holiday, study, live and settle, as equals. As members of the EU now. Not as subjects of the British Crown anymore.

You must try and get over your primitive prejudices, VP. Try and move on. We have.

I dont think the Brits have forgotten or forgiven, look at how much support they give when trying to solve the CP zilch. You may choose to ignore the fact that you have onlu been accepted by Brtis because you forced your way into the EU, otherwise you would still be bloody foreigners to the Brits if they had their way.

[Sotos]

We are Greek, so how can being free equal citizens of a Greek state, like it is the case with all other Greek islands, be compared with being colonial subjects of a foreign empire? As always you are talking nonsense. If YOU are not Greek... because you have be brought up abroad and you even have English as your main language, then realize you are an ANOMALY, and NOT representative in any way of the vast majority of Cypriots.

Anyone who fights for uniting Cyprus with Greece, is by definition a GREEK patriot and thus can not be a CYPRIOT patriot. Anyone who fights for uniting Cyprus with Turkey is a Turkish patriot and thus can not be a CYPRIOT patriot, Anyone who fights for Cypriot independence, despite what their cultural and ethnic background may be is a CYPRIOT patriot. It really is that simple.

It does not matter how many Greek patriots there may have been or what % of the total population they may or may not have been, if they fight for the gifting of Cyprus to Greece, then they can not be, by definition, a Cypriot patriot, only a Greek patriot.

In the 1770's American patriots were (in large numbers) British in every sense, legally, culturally, ethnically and in every way. What distinguished them from British patriots was the very fact that they fought for their independence DESPITE their British cultural, ethnic, linguist, religious roots.

The word "patriot" is from the Greek word "πατρίδα" which means 2 things in Greek: (1) The country of birth or origin (2) the village/town or territory of origin. So with Cyprus part of Greece Cypriots can be both "Greek patriots" and "Cypriot patriots" or even "somevillagename patriots"
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The "Americans" (the British in every sense ones... not the native ones) did what they did out of pure self-interest ... they had just stolen vast amounts of territories and they wanted to keep it all for themselves than sharing the spoils with the Royals in England. Maybe you can find a few more examples like that but those are the EXCEPTION. The RULE is that people in places that share the same language, same religion and same culture WANT to be part of the same country. Otherwise every little island and village would be a separate country. And I emphasize the word WANT here ... because if the native people of a territory WANT to have independence then by all means they should ... so you can have San Marino or Monaco as exceptions but then you have 1000s of other big and small Italian and French towns which don't want to be a state on their own and nobody should force them to be.

[Sotos]

Dont you GCs think it ironic and also hypocritical that you wanted to get rid of British Rule by killing Brits to become part of Greece yet had no problem moving to the UK for a better life, why didnt you all go live in Greece?

Because Britain got rich by exploiting their colonies (such as Cyprus) and when people immigrate they usually choose the richest places.

[Demonax]

Hypocrites.

The British love Cyprus. They come here to holiday, to retire, to explore our beautiful island. Some know full well we fought against them. Some don't know and don't care. Why are they being hypocrites? We welcome them as equals now. Not as our colonial masters.

Similarly, we go to England to holiday, study, live and settle, as equals. As members of the EU now. Not as subjects of the British Crown anymore.

You must try and get over your primitive prejudices, VP. Try and move on. We have.

I dont think the Brits have forgotten or forgiven, look at how much support they give when trying to solve the CP zilch. You may choose to ignore the fact that you have onlu been accepted by Brtis because you forced your way into the EU, otherwise you would still be bloody foreigners to the Brits if they had their way.

You really think the millions of visitors who come to Cyprus from the UK are worried that Cypriots fought a colonial war against Britain half a century ago? Or that the thousands of Cypriots who go to the UK are checking to see what the British Foreign Office is doing about the Cyprus issue?

You really ought to get a life, VP. You really think that the rest of mankind harbours the same prejudices, grudges and bitterness as you? It must be a severe disappointment to you that other people aren't as fanatical and full of bile as you.

[Demonax]

The word "patriot" is from the Greek word "πατρίδα" which means 2 things in Greek: (1) The country of birth or origin (2) the village/town or territory of origin. So with Cyprus part of Greece Cypriots can be both "Greek patriots" and "Cypriot patriots" or even "somevillagename patriots"

Thank you, Sotos. As I tried to explain to our Turkish friend earlier, you can be both a Cretan patriot and a Greek Patriot. The majority of Cypriots who fought against the British in the 1950s similarly saw themselves as both Cypriot and Greek patriots as they considered Cyprus to be fundamentally a Greek island.

[Paphitis]

It seems that all EOKA was fighting for (knowingly or unknowingly) was to swap foreign hands of Cyprus, and that unfortunately makes it a dishonorable cause.

It is admirable to fight so as to liberate one’s self/country from colonialism, but if the ulterior motive is to pass the slavery onto another “master” then the motive takes on a double evil form.

We are Greek, so how can being free equal citizens of a Greek state, like it is the case with all other Greek islands, be compared with being colonial subjects of a foreign empire? As always you are talking nonsense. If YOU are not Greek... because you have be brought up abroad and you even have English as your main language, then realize you are an ANOMALY, and NOT representative in any way of the vast majority of Cypriots.

You are NOT Greek but a victim of Cyprus’ sabotaged education system,

…but even if you were Greek, ALL healthy-minded human beings would’ve JUMPED at the idea of independence and forgotten about Greece… so that alone PROVES that it was NOT a healthy momentum but one of slavery to Greece as orchestrated by the Greek government.

I wasn't born yesterday Sotos...

NB: There exists an “Independent Crete” movement going on as we speak for crying out loud and THEY are REAL Greeks!

We are as Greek as it gets, just like Athenians or Cretans. You as a non Greek (i.e. foreigner) can say whatever bullshit you want, but we real Cypriots don't give a fuck Maybe you should go back to England, Australia or whatever other country you grew up in, since it is obvious that you are a misfit in Cyprus.

It's all in your head!

You guys are victims and I pity you!