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[Paphitis]

Really? You are scrutinizing the behaviour of the Jews? What behaviour is that? Please elaborate.

They appear like a normal group of people to me like other groups of people of a particular race or religion.

You're having a laugh !.

No I'm not!

I'm being quite serious. They appear to be a normal people to me just like all others, including Greeks and Cypriots. Very similar in many aspects to Cypriots actually because of the tightness of their family units.

So please elaborate about this alleged bad behavior of the Jews that justifies so much hatred. I really would like to know.

Now settle down old chap, I never indicated that I was scrutinizing the Jews so please do not assume that I am.

My objection to the behaviour of the Israeli's is a personal opinion, I do not include the (as I term) ordinary Jew in that opinion since I think they are poles apart, unless THEY wish to be associated and many of them do not.

OK so now you include all Israelis, Jews and Christians in your opinion of their behavior! Who are the ordinary and non ordinary Israelis?

Please explain!

You're making the claims here, so please elaborate!

[Paphitis]

Jewish people have a remarkable sense of humour, it could be said that they are envied for it and perhaps it is one of the reasons for why they are so successful.

Another fine trait that I have noticed is their reluctance to condemn the actions of any of their peers and their eagerness to praise even when the action itself is well worth condemnation.

A classic example:- " Eli, that was a disgusting , dirty rotten underhanded trick you done but, I've got to admire the way you done it !".

The mannerisms are most important when telling Jewish stories, I recommend a viewing of some of the "Jackie Mason" videos on youtube, who knows, we may learn something.

Nonsense!

Jews are just as critical as anyone else.

They are not an underhanded people in my experience and let me tell you, my wife has had the privilege to be a guest of their Government and even visited the Knesset and the usual hot spots. They are well organized and they have their story which any reasonable person will say is only fair!

If you have ever been a guest of the Knesset you will know what shemozzles take place there, you will also know of the sexual activities that are a regular occurrence, I trust you accompany your wife when she visits...... (especially the Hot Spots).

Have I visited Israel? Yes I have.

Have I been treated well by Israelis? Yes I have! No complaints.

Did I accompany my wife? No I did not. Should I be concerned? No I shouldn't.

Well let me tell you, I am sure there are sexual activities in Cyprus too. Amazing that!

[Garavnoss]

Really? You are scrutinizing the behaviour of the Jews? What behaviour is that? Please elaborate.

They appear like a normal group of people to me like other groups of people of a particular race or religion.

You're having a laugh !.

No I'm not!

I'm being quite serious. They appear to be a normal people to me just like all others, including Greeks and Cypriots. Very similar in many aspects to Cypriots actually because of the tightness of their family units.

So please elaborate about this alleged bad behavior of the Jews that justifies so much hatred. I really would like to know.

Now settle down old chap, I never indicated that I was scrutinizing the Jews so please do not assume that I am.

My objection to the behaviour of the Israeli's is a personal opinion, I do not include the (as I term) ordinary Jew in that opinion since I think they are poles apart, unless THEY wish to be associated and many of them do not.

OK so now you include all Israelis, Jews and Christians in your opinion of their behavior! Who are the ordinary and non ordinary Israelis?

Please explain!

You're making the claims here, so please elaborate!

Did I really include Christians ?, I think not.

If your contention is going to be that there are Christians who have embraced the Israeli nationality OK, there are rats everywhere.

The Israeli Jew is a different animal (and I use the word advisedly) to the Jew of the days before Palestine was infiltrated, the history since those days is well documented and the population has undergone vast changes, the land has also been encroached upon, wars have been fought and the Israeli's have had the backing to ensure their victories.

Don't split hairs, the Israeli's are bloodthirsty bastards, everyone knows it but it suits other powers to deny it.

I have no issues with the Jews, I can admire their progress elsewhere but cannot agree with what is taking place in Palestine.

[Oceanside50]

I'm not minimising what the Germans did during the war one bit because if Hitler had only killed one Jew simply for being Jewish, I would have thought that was too much, that he was a murderer and a racist and deserves his term in hell.

However, I was just reading about the slave trade and how disgustingly Africans were treated from the moments of capture in Africa, to their enforced trudges across wild country towards the ships they were piled into. The long sea journey across the Atlantic where they starved, lacking light and water etc etc etc., were beaten, chained and crowded so much they suffocated, not to mention dying of hypothermia, heat-exhaustion or disease over such a long time crossing. Absolutely appalling.

This carnage at the hands of the British and other slave traders lasted some 300 years.

And yet, I read that less than 5 million died out of the 14 million slaves involved in the transatlantic trade. It took 300 years of such inhumane atrocities to kill 5 million people. Across continents and ocean.

This is food for thought to generate some perspective.

How flipping efficient were the Germans to manage to kill 6 Million people over such a short period of time within such a small region of Europe?

...yes, the final solution was calculated to take only a year, how flipping efficient were they when it took more that 2 years to do what was by their calculations, half the work? i suppose the war had something to do with that. i wonder, who would have been next?

how long did it take the turks to kill 1.5 million armenians, a few months...?

[Paphitis]

Did I really include Christians ?, I think not.

If your contention is going to be that there are Christians who have embraced the Israeli nationality OK, there are rats everywhere.

The Israeli Jew is a different animal (and I use the word advisedly) to the Jew of the days before Palestine was infiltrated, the history since those days is well documented and the population has undergone vast changes, the land has also been encroached upon, wars have been fought and the Israeli's have had the backing to ensure their victories.

Don't split hairs, the Israeli's are bloodthirsty bastards, everyone knows it but it suits other powers to deny it.

I have no issues with the Jews, I can admire their progress elsewhere but cannot agree with what is taking place in Palestine.

Of course you did! You first spoke of the Jews and from there you went on to speak of all Israelis!

I'm not splitting hairs. I would really like to know what actions has resulted in so much hatred at least from the likes of you. Explain!

Surely if you are referring to Israel then you must include all Israelis in that equation but for some reason you started to single out the Jews alone and then, when you realized your folly, you changed it to Israelis and now you're getting defensive!

[Garavnoss]

Did I really include Christians ?, I think not.

If your contention is going to be that there are Christians who have embraced the Israeli nationality OK, there are rats everywhere.

The Israeli Jew is a different animal (and I use the word advisedly) to the Jew of the days before Palestine was infiltrated, the history since those days is well documented and the population has undergone vast changes, the land has also been encroached upon, wars have been fought and the Israeli's have had the backing to ensure their victories.

Don't split hairs, the Israeli's are bloodthirsty bastards, everyone knows it but it suits other powers to deny it.

I have no issues with the Jews, I can admire their progress elsewhere but cannot agree with what is taking place in Palestine.

Of course you did! You first spoke of the Jews and from there you went on to speak of all Israelis!

I'm not splitting hairs. I would really like to know what actions has resulted in so much hatred at least from the likes of you. Explain!

Surely if you are referring to Israel then you must include all Israelis in that equation but for some reason you started to single out the Jews alone and then, when you realized your folly, you changed it to Israelis and now you're getting defensive!

I would have thought that my comments on the other topic would have satisfied your interest in my opinions regarding the differences between the Israeli and other Jews.

I believe I made a clear distinction based upon my own experiences and feel you should have recognized the point.

It is quite natural for the non-Israeli Jew to ally themselves to Israel but such allegiance can, (when Israeli forces menace the weak and almost defenceless Palestinians) stir up anti-semitic feelings.

I have reproduced the comments below for your further scrutiny.

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Outside of that which is taking place on the world stage, I have a great deal of sympathy for the Jews and my latter comment should be construed as an indication that I am neither a lover of Hitler nor a hater of the Jews.

The actions of the Israeli's in Palestine is bound to bolster anti-Jewish feelings among non-Jews (even among Israeli's) and the most unfortunate fact is that there is a vast difference between these two peoples of the same faith.

The Israeli is a different kettle of fish to the Jew of yesteryear and it is in the difference between them that the spirit of Adolf Hitler lives on.

By exhibiting such ebullience whenever Israel strikes in Palestine, the (shall we say) ordinary Jew (although they are far from ordinary) becomes tarred with the same brush as the Israeli and therefore suffers the same condemnation.

Therefore, I object to your comment since I feel that the content of the quote " The spirit of Adolf Hitler lives on" deserves to be given a little more consideration than you have afforded it, it certainly deserves thinking about and might well be sourced from a 'JEW'.

[GreekIslandGirl]

I'm not minimising what the Germans did during the war one bit because if Hitler had only killed one Jew simply for being Jewish, I would have thought that was too much, that he was a murderer and a racist and deserves his term in hell.

However, I was just reading about the slave trade and how disgustingly Africans were treated from the moments of capture in Africa, to their enforced trudges across wild country towards the ships they were piled into. The long sea journey across the Atlantic where they starved, lacking light and water etc etc etc., were beaten, chained and crowded so much they suffocated, not to mention dying of hypothermia, heat-exhaustion or disease over such a long time crossing. Absolutely appalling.

This carnage at the hands of the British and other slave traders lasted some 300 years.

And yet, I read that less than 5 million died out of the 14 million slaves involved in the transatlantic trade. It took 300 years of such inhumane atrocities to kill 5 million people. Across continents and ocean.

This is food for thought to generate some perspective.

How flipping efficient were the Germans to manage to kill 6 Million people over such a short period of time within such a small region of Europe?

...yes, the final solution was calculated to take only a year, how flipping efficient were they when it took more that 2 years to do what was by their calculations, half the work? i suppose the war had something to do with that. i wonder, who would have been next?

how long did it take the turks to kill 1.5 million armenians, a few months...?

Bingo! Brilliant comparison.

If the Turks claim they were not deliberately setting out to kill the Armenians but were just 'transporting' them from one place to another, then that becomes a direct comparison with what the slave traders were doing, surely. The slave traders were just 'transporting' people from one place to another and yet they carelessly killed 5 million, but that still took over 300 years and during worse times, medically speaking.

The Turks are guilty as hell of deliberate, sustained and most efficient genocide - without doubt.

Well done, Ocean.

[Paphitis]

Did I really include Christians ?, I think not.

If your contention is going to be that there are Christians who have embraced the Israeli nationality OK, there are rats everywhere.

The Israeli Jew is a different animal (and I use the word advisedly) to the Jew of the days before Palestine was infiltrated, the history since those days is well documented and the population has undergone vast changes, the land has also been encroached upon, wars have been fought and the Israeli's have had the backing to ensure their victories.

Don't split hairs, the Israeli's are bloodthirsty bastards, everyone knows it but it suits other powers to deny it.

I have no issues with the Jews, I can admire their progress elsewhere but cannot agree with what is taking place in Palestine.

Of course you did! You first spoke of the Jews and from there you went on to speak of all Israelis!

I'm not splitting hairs. I would really like to know what actions has resulted in so much hatred at least from the likes of you. Explain!

Surely if you are referring to Israel then you must include all Israelis in that equation but for some reason you started to single out the Jews alone and then, when you realized your folly, you changed it to Israelis and now you're getting defensive!

I would have thought that my comments on the other topic would have satisfied your interest in my opinions regarding the differences between the Israeli and other Jews.

I believe I made a clear distinction based upon my own experiences and feel you should have recognized the point.

It is quite natural for the non-Israeli Jew to ally themselves to Israel but such allegiance can, (when Israeli forces menace the weak and almost defenceless Palestinians) stir up anti-semitic feelings.

I have reproduced the comments below for your further scrutiny.

____________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________


Outside of that which is taking place on the world stage, I have a great deal of sympathy for the Jews and my latter comment should be construed as an indication that I am neither a lover of Hitler nor a hater of the Jews.

The actions of the Israeli's in Palestine is bound to bolster anti-Jewish feelings among non-Jews (even among Israeli's) and the most unfortunate fact is that there is a vast difference between these two peoples of the same faith.

The Israeli is a different kettle of fish to the Jew of yesteryear and it is in the difference between them that the spirit of Adolf Hitler lives on.

By exhibiting such ebullience whenever Israel strikes in Palestine, the (shall we say) ordinary Jew (although they are far from ordinary) becomes tarred with the same brush as the Israeli and therefore suffers the same condemnation.

Therefore, I object to your comment since I feel that the content of the quote " The spirit of Adolf Hitler lives on" deserves to be given a little more consideration than you have afforded it, it certainly deserves thinking about and might well be sourced from a 'JEW'.

Of course Israelis are going to be sympathetic to their country Israel. It's only natural.

All Israelis serve the IDF and all Israelis must serve their country when needed and that may include action against HAMAS in the Gaza Strip. Both Jews and Christians alike would be serving the IDF.

Not only this, but HAMAS target ALL Israelis with their rockets which leads to IDF action in Gaza. ALL Israelis are fed up with it.

It is true that MOST Israelis feel a level of compassion for the innocent Palestinian civilians caught in the crossfire. It is also true that most Israelis would rather not, however most also understand that Hamas can not go unanswered. As tough as it may seem, they can only sit back and let the rockets fall on their towns for so long, but eventually there is no other choice but to attack HAMAS in order to cause a military loss to their capability.

It can't get any simpler than that.

[repulsewarrior]

I'm not minimising what the Germans did during the war one bit because if Hitler had only killed one Jew simply for being Jewish, I would have thought that was too much, that he was a murderer and a racist and deserves his term in hell.

However, I was just reading about the slave trade and how disgustingly Africans were treated from the moments of capture in Africa, to their enforced trudges across wild country towards the ships they were piled into. The long sea journey across the Atlantic where they starved, lacking light and water etc etc etc., were beaten, chained and crowded so much they suffocated, not to mention dying of hypothermia, heat-exhaustion or disease over such a long time crossing. Absolutely appalling.

This carnage at the hands of the British and other slave traders lasted some 300 years.

And yet, I read that less than 5 million died out of the 14 million slaves involved in the transatlantic trade. It took 300 years of such inhumane atrocities to kill 5 million people. Across continents and ocean.

This is food for thought to generate some perspective.

How flipping efficient were the Germans to manage to kill 6 Million people over such a short period of time within such a small region of Europe?

...yes, the final solution was calculated to take only a year, how flipping efficient were they when it took more that 2 years to do what was by their calculations, half the work? i suppose the war had something to do with that. i wonder, who would have been next?

how long did it take the turks to kill 1.5 million armenians, a few months...?

Bingo! Brilliant comparison.

If the Turks claim they were not deliberately setting out to kill the Armenians but were just 'transporting' them from one place to another, then that becomes a direct comparison with what the slave traders were doing, surely. The slave traders were just 'transporting' people from one place to another and yet they carelessly killed 5 million, but that still took over 300 years and during worse times, medically speaking.

The Turks are guilty as hell of deliberate, sustained and most efficient genocide - without doubt.

Well done, Ocean.

why discount the Greeks, Gig, didn't millions die under the same movement, at the same time? that history, in Anatolia, regretfully, i don't know very well, was the population of Greeks cut by a quarter, or a half, but i do know that Istanbul (and anything west of it in Turkey), is almost empty of Greeks, (as it is almost completely void of any of its original diversity), now.

...in any case, the slave traders cannot be compared to the "Turks", as you describe them, i doubt, that like the slave trader, they would have had a motive to keep their "cargo" alive.

...if any comparison can be made, it is in our learning experience, (and what i call a lag,) i ask, could Hitler have made the choices he did because as a result of the Armenian Holocaust if you will, killing "the Jews" did not seem unreasonable? and, by the same token, (in more modern time) could the "cleansing" we saw in Bosnia if it were not for having been given this name, Turkey's "success" in Cyprus?

[GreekIslandGirl]

I didn't discount the Greeks and their many life-losses at the hands of murderous Turks, RW, but I stuck to the ethnic group that Ocean singled out, one of many, I'm sure, who can tell similar horrors at the hands of Turks.

Too many ...