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[erolz66]

Says the person who supports the illegal Turkish occupation and ethnic cleansing of half a country!

More lies. No where have I ever stated that I 'support' what happened in 74. I accept that it did happen and I seek to understand why it happened, was allowed to happen and continues to this day. Those with your mentality are a major part of it happening, why it was allowed to happen and why it continues today.

[Maximus]

Well, everyone is going to be in it together. That is inclusion, that is democracy, whether the minority agrees or not. That is being Cypriot.

We can not simply be 'in it together' when what 'you' seek (sought) was the non existence of the thing we are 'in it together' as. Seeking the non existence of the thing we are 'in it together' is not inclusion, it is separation by definition.

I wasn't even born at the time. You must be historically speaking.

Your writing is getting difficult to understand. If you agree with democracy, then by definition of this principle, all Cypriots are "all in it together".

please tell me when the "TC" community, as a whole, ever supported democracy and independence for Cypriots and Cyprus? The answer is never.

Which brings us full circle. Both sides are from different civilizations. You cant be Cypriot and separate.

[Lordo]

the fact that you were born after 74 explains a lot about you and the parents and the system that created you.

[Maximus]

the fact that you were born after 74 explains a lot about you and the parents and the system that created you.

Which system Lordo?

What about my parents Lordo?

[erolz66]

Which brings us full circle. Both sides are from different civilizations. You cant be Cypriot and separate.

Can you be Cypriot and have given up Cyprus as an independent nation and state to some other State ?

Resisting the imposition of the non existence of Cyprus as an independent nation and state is not the same as opposing democracy and independence for Cypriots and Cyprus.

[Sotos]

What the flucge are you lot talking about? No one disputes murders and rapes took place (just like in any other war) back in 1964 - 51 BLOODY YEARS AGO! Germans raped, killed, burnt in the ovens millions of Jews and that many more French, Russian, Polish, Greek, Americans etc. 40 years later they became best of trading partners and allies!

Just get over yourselves and stop this meaningless animosity and hate preaching. You are only harming yourself!

No need to shoot the messenger either. The "Greek" propaganda expressed by some other Greeks in Wikipedia(!) is OK, but the makers of this documentary, who were GREEK and English historians, are a bunch of liars???

The documentary was OK... but it seems that the translated subtitles say different things. And the Germans stopped their occupation and gave back what they stole... you continue to occupy what is by over 80% ours and you claim that it now belongs to you! We are also friends with the Egyptians, the Persians, the Italians etc etc who occupied Cyprus in the PAST. If you want to be friends then your occupation of our lands should become a thing of the past also.

Re Sotos I do not know who you are addressing but I happen to be a CYPRIOT born and raised just like my great grandfathers. THIS IS MY LAND TOO! It has never been part of "Greece". On the contrary it was a part of ottoman Empire for near enough 350 years or so.

Greece is a modern nation state which was created in the last couple of centuries like most nation states. So saying that Cyprus has never being part of Greece is meaningless. The question is if Cyprus should have been part of Greece, and that question is something that only the native Cypriot people can answer... not any foreigners or any minorities on their own. And if Ottomans = Turks, then Byzantines, Ptolemy etc = Greeks, and Cyprus had been part of those empires for far longer than 350 years.... if that is so important to you.

GCs constantly make a mistake of judging land ownership rights by population. TCs owned or had the rights to 30% of land in Cyprus until 1963 attacks started off the war. As Cypriots, they also have right to their own land and separate state if they face threats and extinction by their fellow countrymen led by fanatic mainland Greek supported malicia (EOKA-B).

Your argument about the number of Turks and the fact that they may hold 10% more of the land than they owned pre 1963 will never hold water in any international arena - and your leaders are well aware of it. That is why any Federal plan backed by UN incorporates a state close to 30% of the island! AND for your information, Germans never stopped any occupation OR gave back what they stole - THEY LOST THE BLOODY WAR and their own country became occupied by the allies and Russians for the next 45 years or so!

Also I like to hear how you propose to give back the land belonging to TCs (including more than 100 TC villages) left on the Greek side and occupied by GCs since 1974! I would love to get my hands on some of the 200 donums of wineyards left in Alektora, by my own family!

TCs owning 30% of land is total bullshit. You are just making one lie after another to excuse your crimes. Greek Cypriots own 78% of the privately owned land in the territory under Turkish occupation. The only reason that we are negotiating a Federal solution with you keeping close to 30% is because we don't have the power to take our land back... not because you have any rights on what is clearly ours. And about the Germans ... yes they lost the war. Do you think that if the Nazis had won the war and they kept all the land that they stole that their victims would forgive them and make them their friends?

[Sotos]

Turks go back to where your ancestors came from - turkish grandfathers and ottoman great-grandfathers - NONE of THEM were Cypriots and nor are you, so-called "TCs", who still occupy our Greek land!

There we have in a nut shell the Cyprus problem and the kind of mentality that has got Cyprus where it is today. Until those of us who want a better unified Cyprus learn how to isolate and marginalise extremist views like this and those that espouse them, on both sides, there can be little hope for a better future.

We are part of Cyprus. You can't throw us out. So accommodate us. Let us accommodate ourselves. We don't want much. But we don't want to be 'not wanted'. That is the difficulty. For years we have been told by words and by action that we are not wanted in Cyprus, that Cyprus is not ours.

We can accommodate you like every other ethnic minority in every other country is accommodated. The reason you are not wanted and you are hated in such a degree is exactly because you want way too much and you don't mind using force (together with Turkey) to get what you want. That is the crux of the Cyprus Problem. The Turks/TCs being hated is just an inevitable consequence. There have been some TCs ... not many unfortunately... in the forum who are against the occupation and the unfair demands of the Turkish side and those TCs we consider our friends. Only a racist would hate Kikapu, and our share racists is not any higher than yours or of any other population.

[erolz66]

reason you are not wanted and you are hated in such a degree is exactly because you want way too much and you don't mind using force (together with Turkey) to get what you want.

Not wanting to have our (shared) homeland given to a what was to us a foreign power after then end of colonial rule, without any consideration for our wishes is 'way too much' is it ? Did 'you' not show a ready willingness to use force (together with Greece) at least equal to ours to try and get what you wanted ?

in the forum who are against the occupation and the unfair demands of the Turkish side and those TCs we consider our friends.

I do not think expecting to have a say in what happens to my own shared homeland separate from you, if and when and only if and when what you seek is to end the existence of our shared homeland as a independent state, is an 'unfair demand'. I think demanding that you have a right to impose the non existence of our shared homeland as an independent state on us with no regard for our wishes is unfair and unreasonable.

Only a racist would hate Kikapu, and our share racists is not any higher than yours or of any other population.

Who said anything about hating kikapu or calling him racist ? Certainly not me.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Says the person who supports the illegal Turkish occupation and ethnic cleansing of half a country!

More lies. No where have I ever stated that I 'support' what happened in 74. I accept that it did happen and I seek to understand why it happened, was allowed to happen and continues to this day. Those with your mentality are a major part of it happening, why it was allowed to happen and why it continues today.

Excuses - best of both worlds. Enjoy the spoils of the occupation whilst blaming the Greeks for "allowing" it to happen. Sickening humanity!

sleep well - you have it all and can fake innocence....

[GreekIslandGirl]

Notice the use of "homeland" as part of the practiced rhetoric. Oh how easy it is for supposed "Cypriot" TCs to grab the land of native Greeks and instantly make it their "homeland".

Meaningless humanity.