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[bill cobbett]

You'll all be familiar with the story of the Bodies in the Bath. It is a subject we've covered before.

Leading story in yesterday's AFRIKA, Sener Levent again sticks his neck out again to remind us of the fabrications surrounding the story.

Specifically that the bodies have been stage-managed to build up a "trnc" narrative of fear and hatred and that the killer of the lady and her three children is a lot closer to home.

There is something new in Levent's article, and that is a claimed picture of the alleged crime-scene, the bathroom, on the night of the killings.

A spotlessly clean bathroom. Picky below.

Won't reproduce the other pictures for this polite and sensitive audience.

This is a link to a news-site reproducing the AFRIKA article, but be warned again it contains graphic reproductions...

http://www.gazeddakibris.com/afrika-gaz ... siz-banyo/

[Lordo]

let me help you here for real information. who attacked kumsal that night etc.

In total there were 33 used cartridges left on the premises from the guns that were fired in the house to kill these innocent people . As verified by Major Macey of the British forces on the island that acted as the first Un soldier , out of these 25 were fired from Czechoslovakian made CZ vz.52/57 semi automatic rifle which Turkish Cypriots never had , 12 rounds from British made Stengun which both sides had , and 6 rounds from American made M1 Garand semi automatic rifle which only Greek Cypriots and ELDYK used at the time ( Turkish Cypriots had only British made Lee Enfield at the time , M1 Garands came much later , Turkeys contingent force on the island also had these ) .

The unit that attacked Kumsal was under the command of an officer from Greece code named "Terezepilos" numbering around 150 comorising of EOKA and ELDYK elements . An A4 machine gun unit was placed on top of Severis flour factory as the highest building to have the area under control . The unit that entered the area split into two groups under the commands of Savvas Selis (who was a Lieutenant in the Cyprus army at the time and later retired as a major from GC National Guard ) , and an EOKA member codenamed "Thisoas ".

[bill cobbett]

Well, that's an impressive arsenal, cousin Lardo.

Would have done a awful lot of damage in the bathroom, even if a very small fraction had been used in the bathroom.

So, now explain the lack of damage to the bathroom, as Mr Levent's photo shows an undamaged bathroom...

[Lordo]

so what is worse killing these children or putting them in the bath. who has committed the crime. who were these swine terezebillos and thiasos. who were these heros who went into kumsal that night.

[bill cobbett]

Ah, but to state the obvious brother Scammo, if this Bodies in the Bath part of the "trnc narrative" is a fabrication of the events...

... don't we then have to look a lot more closely at the rest of the narrative...???

Let's also remember that the contrivance of the Bodies in the Bath scene is still around in a "museum of barbarity", still being used to spread hatred in the same ways it's been used for the past 50 years, still an essential part of every schoolchild's education up there (is it not???), a scene still doing the rounds on the net.

[bill cobbett]

Came across this, trawling through the CF archive.

A believable account from a late member who was nearby at the time...

"... I am not sure about Kikapu,but it looks like myself,Mrfromng,and Zan were within a few kilometres of the incident as it happened. Zan was the closest.I missed the bit where he talked about visiting the house,so I can't say why he was there.But please try to remember these were very unusual and terrfying times for all of us,as we were convinced the GCs were about to massacre the lot of us,wherever we were.
I told earlier elsewhere how my father gave me a hand grenade,and told me to blow myself and my mother and sisters up if the GCs came to the door,before he came back from fighting at the walls...Please try to imagine the state of terror we were all in during those terrible weeks...

My father was one of the area commanders,and in his unit they had one brengun,a few sten guns,some granades and pistols ,and the rest had shotguns as you say.We were not as poorly armed as you recall.
Of course I don't know what the defenders at Kumsal had,or even if there were any defenders there.And I think it is pointless and probably impossible to try to work out how events unfolded on that tragic night at Kumsal.But going on what we know for sure here is what I believe happened:
150 GC irregulars under ovreall command of a Greek Officer,went to clear Kumsal of TCs.They had no idea what to expect,and was hence very tense and apprehensive. The Unit which came to the Ilhan house probably contained some die hard EOKA gunmen who lost the plot when they realised this was the house of a Turkish officer.There would have been photos of Mr Ilhan in army uniform on the walls.They started indiscriminate shooting whatever moved around the house,then panicked and run away,probably thinking that they would be in trouble with their own commander,especially if that was Tasos Mavrou and what we hear about him being a very principles and honourable person is true.
Remeber that hundreds of TCs were taken prisoner at Kumsal that night,and all were released unharmed a few days later.

So when TMT found out they saw this as a priceless opportunity for propaganda,and for getting the Turkish Army contingent,which was still at their barracks and uninvolved,involved as soon as possible,and even perhaps hoping that would drag Turkey into the action as well.Turkey at the time was run by Ismet Inonu who was a dove and not a hawke...

The master manipulator,journalist Omer Sami Cosar was sent in to do his work,and he himself is on the record for saying that he did arrange the bath scene for maximum propaganda effect...

As I said earlier,I do not believe we should be looking for excuses or blame appostioning in this terrible crime against humanity.Cypriots,people born and raised in our homeland were responsible for this dstardly act and the ensuing propaganda war,and for that we have all been diminished and wounded as human beings.

But unlike MR I believe we should be able to talk about this in a civilised and constructive way,and empathise with each other,in order to build understanding and trust.I know it is difficult and I am trying to hold back my tears as I write this,but the way forward is not via sweeping unpleasant things under the carpet... "

[Lordo]

so do we interpret your silence as condemnation of the murderers and the government who refuses to even investigate this incident never mind bring the murderers to justice. any squiking or do you need the three in one.

[Mustiejodu]

TypicaL greek response is denial to anything . Same response from nazi Germans who lived in denial of atrocities. They won't accept any responsibility to any atrocities inflicted on the TC s . Mention the 2 tc villages that were masacred and they will stoop to a level of total denial and even blame TCs . They have similar mentality to the nazi s hence why we should have done what the british did on DDay which was bomb the fuck out of the whole lot of them and bring them to trial and hang them like they did in the Nuremburge trials

[bill cobbett]

Sener Levent won't stay silent ...

Cousin Lardo, can you translate this headline in AFRIKA for us please...

[Sotos]

TypicaL greek response is denial to anything . Same response from nazi Germans who lived in denial of atrocities. They won't accept any responsibility to any atrocities inflicted on the TC s . Mention the 2 tc villages that were masacred and they will stoop to a level of total denial and even blame TCs . They have similar mentality to the nazi s hence why we should have done what the british did on DDay which was bomb the fuck out of the whole lot of them and bring them to trial and hang them like they did in the Nuremburge trials

Here is a list of massacres in Cyprus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma ... _in_Cyprus

Total Turkish Cypriots massacred by Greeks: 251
Total Greek Cypriots massacred by Turks: 26525

And that list is incomplete ... if we included everything... like the 1000s killed during the Turkish invasion and whose bodies are still being found in mass graves all over the place, then the difference would be even greater. And then of course there are the MILLIONS that the Turks killed in various genocides. And lets not forget that Turkey invaded Cyprus using the same excuse that Hitler used to invade Czechoslovakia. And then you dare say that we are the Nazis? Here is a List of genocides by death toll. The Turks have committed 4 of the top 28 genocides!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ge ... death_toll