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[Jerry]

A new dilemma for Erdogan


The European Commission (EC)’s upcoming recycling regulation could be scuppered by the fallout from the ongoing territorial and political dispute between Turkey and Cyprus.
The Mediterranean island nation is expected to lodge a complaint against Turkish recyclers’ inclusion in a list of approved EC yards based on the current shipping ban, which will not allow its ships access to breaking facilities in Turkey......

However, for a shipbreaker to be accepted on the list, it must comply with the EC principle of “equality”, outlined in paragraph eight of the recycling regulation.
In effect, this means an approved breaker’s yard must be free to access and fair to all member states.
Cyprus will be in a strong position to argue that its registered fleet would be put at a commercial disadvantage should Turkish yards be approved.
Cyprus-registered ships are currently banned from trading to Turkey and, once the regulation kicks in, they would then have to be recycled at an EC-approved yard in another country — most likely China.


http://www.tradewindsnews.com/weekly/35 ... cling-regs

[B25]

Jerry, don't count you chicks before they hatch. The will find some excuse to agree to the Turkish recycling irrespective of what Cyprus says. Or they may allow ships to be recycled but still banned from trading in Turkey.

Either way, Turkey will get its way because the EU are too soft to say otherwise. Watch this space.

Further, check this:

"EU urges Ankara to treat all EU members equally within the Turkish visa policy"

They use the term 'Urges' rather than 'Demands', which means it is all a pile of crap. So, the GCs get treated differently and nothing gets done, same will happen with the above.

[repulsewarrior]

...thanks Jerry, for posting this article. I read it and cynically turned the page on it, like B25. The EU has not demonstrated solidarity yet, toward its own Principals, and her position with Turkey is also fluid.

But upon reflection, i realise that Erdogan has been shut out of many agreements, big ones like the Free Trade Agreement between Europe and the US, a lot of exceptions are being made for Turkey, this does not bode well, should she need favours. With all his "projects of the Century", Turkey suffers the same problem it had when Erdogan first came to power, and that is stagnation. Little has been done to change people themselves, the same bodies are doing the same things, the same way, for the same people, but on a bigger scale, less Free actually what with the corruption within.

Indeed Turkey can recognise that Cyprus, the Republic of Cyprus exists. And what it would say about Turkey is quite a lot, if that were to happen. Looking Eastward, from the West, she could become less a tarnished soul, a problem, the Problem, and more a being whose immense power opens the opportunity for a greater harmony for many who would pause, to think such thinking is worth emulating, and held in high esteem.

[Lordo]

terggy will open all her ports to groc as soon as ercan is open to international traffic.

your stupidity regarding this matter sunk your airlines and it will not be long before your shipping carriers suffer the same fate.

onward and upward i say, to infinity and beyond.

[Pyrpolizer]

Yeah I agree with B25, we are completely powerless, a total zero next to EU interests.
Turkey worths a lot for them, they dream of the day they will move all their dirty factories there, and suck Turkey's young labor force.
They are already doing it in Poland of course, but Poland is already an EU member, they want a country that's out and stay out for ever.

Question is what will happen when Turkey gets enough assets and starts blackmailing them. But I guess the Germans have already worked it out and know what to do when the time comes.

[Pyrpolizer]

terggy will open all her ports to groc as soon as ercan is open to international traffic.

your stupidity regarding this matter sunk your airlines and it will not be long before your shipping carriers suffer the same fate.

onward and upward i say, to infinity and beyond.

We can always send them trash with Greek vessels

[Nikitas]

Turkey will never gain assets sufficient to challenge the west, for a simple reason, it chose an archaic development model, that of the cheap manufacturing base.

Technology is rapidly moving towards full automation and additive as opposed to subtractive manufacturing. It is no accident tha many US companies are repatriating their manufacturing after a decade in China. Turkey did not develop any innovation either in products or manufacturing methodology. In the end it will find itself with a bunch of old factories, old machinery, undertrained but cheap labor and a glut of luxury villas to sell in a buyer's market.

As for its leadership that is the epitome of antiques. Look at the doctrines they are promoting, neo ottomanism to make friends among nations that shed blood to be rid of the ottomans, and new Turkey from a man who built a 1150 room palace, appointed an official food taster, has a palace guard of actors in fancy dress and admonishes women to stay home and have three kids. Modern times hey!

[Pyrpolizer]

Turkey will never gain assets sufficient to challenge the west, for a simple reason, it chose an archaic development model, that of the cheap manufacturing base.

Technology is rapidly moving towards full automation and additive as opposed to subtractive manufacturing. It is no accident tha many US companies are repatriating their manufacturing after a decade in China. Turkey did not develop any innovation either in products or manufacturing methodology. In the end it will find itself with a bunch of old factories, old machinery, undertrained but cheap labor and a glut of luxury villas to sell in a buyer's market.

You are talking for high Tech. Surely they have no reason to move high Tech manufacturing to Turkey.
And besides what part of the total manufacturing is fully automatic high Tech? Most of it is not.

Imo their plan is to move the industries that are now heavily polluting (hence can't survive otherwise with all those penalties) plus industries that need a lot of manual labor.

[repulsewarrior]

we think of the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP) as a train, the country of Turkey should form the middle wagon. In other words, in the future, Turkey's role will be a balancing element when the political and cultural impact of this system reshapes 50 percent of the world economy. The phobia of Turkey that developed over long years in Europe has ended, and our improving economic dynamics has completely altered the image of Turkey in Europe over the last 10 years.

http://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/2015/ ... t-for-ttip

Sabah, is not a paper that expresses views that are contrary to Erdogan's thinking. This image in representing Turkey as an irreplaceable middle man is laughable.

...and always the same threat in the end, as though they are building a train, "their" train. They may be, but they are far behind India, and China, who have already taken the step beyond, toward the Information Age.

...in my opinion Turkey has no choice, but to recognise that there exists Cyprus, and the Republic of Cyprus.

[observer]

Reverting to shipping, though I'm no expert on the subject it seems to me that there is no problem for Turkey.

My understanding is that very few "Cypriot ships" are actually owned by Cypriots. The majority are just using the RoC flag as a flag of convenience. If a ship's owners feel that having a ship broken up in Turkey is financially a good deal, it can't be too difficult to re-register the ship under a different flag of convenience. I'm informed that Mongolia is a good choice. Being a landlocked country their shipping regulations only take up a couple of A4 pages.

Perhaps someone who know more about it can point out if I'm wrong.