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[Paphitis]

The Aviation Industry wouldn't come up with the nonsense on everyone's lips and on the news. Of course, any other profession will be crying foul if they introduced or legislated such nonsense for other professions.

It is arguably a violation of privacy and Human Rights because pilots will be discriminated against and perhaps there might be career consequences if they had a medical issue that needed to be dealt with.

These recommendations are being hyped up by the stupid media and commentators which know nothing about the industry.

Further, you can't eliminate these types of things or terrorism. They will occur, albeit rarely. In fact, 2014 was a record year for safety despite the 2 ridiculous Malaysian disasters.

Another thing is that people like you who express concern, should be a little more choosey about the Airline they fly on. You boasted once about some cheap fares on a LCC called Thomas Cook, who is under investigation. You, among many others, bashed CA right up to it folding.

Get serious!

The industry (pilot unions) will fight any stupid recommendations such as the ones I have heard.

They are all for sensible ideas and sensible new procedures but they won't support any reactionary measures which could place workers (pilots) in a precarious position. Yes, pilots are allowed to be sick for a while and expect proper treatment, and counseling until they are fit to fly. I have seen many blokes go through rough patches in their lives.

[Paphitis]

Even little issues like taking a break from flying will apparently be viewed dimly. What do you want if I Pilot is going through divorce, is locked in a custody battle for his kids or when their spouse or partner die or a diagnosed with a terminal disease? Is it not better for this person to take extended leave?

There are more situations which can effect the health of a pilot. Some are effected more than others, and many need to take time off and even seek medical help or counseling. Nothing wrong with that.

I see BIG problems if this goes the wrong way. Still won't stop crashes either!

And there will be more issues because pilots will be a little more cautious about talking about their issues with their employer should this be warranted for fear of other career consequences.

Go wrap yourselves in cotton wool!

[miltiades]

Even little issues like taking a break from flying will apparently be viewed dimly. What do you want if I Pilot is going through divorce, is locked in a custody battle for his kids or when their spouse or partner die or a diagnosed with a terminal disease? Is it not better for this person to take extended leave?

There are more situations which can effect the health of a pilot. Some are effected more than others, and many need to take time off and even seek medical help or counseling. Nothing wrong with that.

I see BIG problems if this goes the wrong way. Still won't stop crashes either!

And there will be more issues because pilots will be a little more cautious about talking about their issues with their employer should this be warranted for fear of other career consequences.

Go wrap yourselves in cotton wool!

I dont give a toss if this monster had mental issues, Im only concerned that, like him, there might be others cabable of commiting such a barbaric act. This guy must have had a very very serious mental problem. If he wanted to kill himself thats fine, but kill innocent men women and children can never be forgiven.

As for your comments on me not flying with CA, well I was right about one thing. Badly managed, badly run airline that eventually went ....down !! It was not only their prices that put me off but little things that were not attented to, like the tv screens, the coat hungers that were broken, all made me wonder what else is it not repaired or maintained.

[Paphitis]

Even little issues like taking a break from flying will apparently be viewed dimly. What do you want if I Pilot is going through divorce, is locked in a custody battle for his kids or when their spouse or partner die or a diagnosed with a terminal disease? Is it not better for this person to take extended leave?

There are more situations which can effect the health of a pilot. Some are effected more than others, and many need to take time off and even seek medical help or counseling. Nothing wrong with that.

I see BIG problems if this goes the wrong way. Still won't stop crashes either!

And there will be more issues because pilots will be a little more cautious about talking about their issues with their employer should this be warranted for fear of other career consequences.

Go wrap yourselves in cotton wool!

I dont give a toss if this monster had mental issues, Im only concerned that, like him, there might be others cabable of commiting such a barbaric act. This guy must have had a very very serious mental problem. If he wanted to kill himself thats fine, but kill innocent men women and children can never be forgiven.

As for your comments on me not flying with CA, well I was right about one thing. Badly managed, badly run airline that eventually went ....down !! It was not only their prices that put me off but little things that were not attented to, like the tv screens, the coat hungers that were broken, all made me wonder what else is it not repaired or maintained.

You should leave these concerns to the professionals who are more capable to deal with these rare issues. Perhaps you should be more concerned with LCC, but you support these because you want cheap fares. In the end, LCC will kill more people than "rogue pilots"

The Aviation Industry has a great reporting culture, and the reasons why it is so successful and a great contributor to safety is the fact that pilots are able to approach their employer about any issues with their privacy assured and without repercussions. As a matter of fact, airlines are very proactive in monitoring the wellbeing of all Flight Crew and have external consultants and service providers, at great expense to assist them and their employees and they will give their staff every assistance under the sun to get the employee back to work. The industry endorses these types of peer and mentor monitoring schemes.

It's a great system which actually works very well. Nothing will ever be 100%

What the media is proposing is destroying all this in one foul swoop.

And you should be monitored for your fitness to possess a computer!

[miltiades]

Even little issues like taking a break from flying will apparently be viewed dimly. What do you want if I Pilot is going through divorce, is locked in a custody battle for his kids or when their spouse or partner die or a diagnosed with a terminal disease? Is it not better for this person to take extended leave?

There are more situations which can effect the health of a pilot. Some are effected more than others, and many need to take time off and even seek medical help or counseling. Nothing wrong with that.

I see BIG problems if this goes the wrong way. Still won't stop crashes either!

And there will be more issues because pilots will be a little more cautious about talking about their issues with their employer should this be warranted for fear of other career consequences.

Go wrap yourselves in cotton wool!

I dont give a toss if this monster had mental issues, Im only concerned that, like him, there might be others cabable of commiting such a barbaric act. This guy must have had a very very serious mental problem. If he wanted to kill himself thats fine, but kill innocent men women and children can never be forgiven.

As for your comments on me not flying with CA, well I was right about one thing. Badly managed, badly run airline that eventually went ....down !! It was not only their prices that put me off but little things that were not attented to, like the tv screens, the coat hungers that were broken, all made me wonder what else is it not repaired or maintained.

You should leave these concerns to the professionals who are more capable to deal with these rare issues. Perhaps you should be more concerned with LCC, but you support these because you want cheap fares. In the end, LCC will kill more people than "rogue pilots"

The Aviation Industry has a great reporting culture, and the reasons why it is so successful and a great contributor to safety is the fact that pilots are able to approach their employer about any issues with their privacy assured and without repercussions. As a matter of fact, airlines are very proactive in monitoring the wellbeing of all Flight Crew and have external consultants and service providers, at great expense to assist them and their employees and they will give their staff every assistance under the sun to get the employee back to work. The industry endorses these types of peer and mentor monitoring schemes.

It's a great system which actually works very well. Nothing will ever be 100%

What the media is proposing is destroying all this in one foul swoop.

And you should be monitored for your fitness to possess a computer!

You say you are a pilot ?

[Paphitis]

Even little issues like taking a break from flying will apparently be viewed dimly. What do you want if I Pilot is going through divorce, is locked in a custody battle for his kids or when their spouse or partner die or a diagnosed with a terminal disease? Is it not better for this person to take extended leave?

There are more situations which can effect the health of a pilot. Some are effected more than others, and many need to take time off and even seek medical help or counseling. Nothing wrong with that.

I see BIG problems if this goes the wrong way. Still won't stop crashes either!

And there will be more issues because pilots will be a little more cautious about talking about their issues with their employer should this be warranted for fear of other career consequences.

Go wrap yourselves in cotton wool!

I dont give a toss if this monster had mental issues, Im only concerned that, like him, there might be others cabable of commiting such a barbaric act. This guy must have had a very very serious mental problem. If he wanted to kill himself thats fine, but kill innocent men women and children can never be forgiven.

As for your comments on me not flying with CA, well I was right about one thing. Badly managed, badly run airline that eventually went ....down !! It was not only their prices that put me off but little things that were not attented to, like the tv screens, the coat hungers that were broken, all made me wonder what else is it not repaired or maintained.

You should leave these concerns to the professionals who are more capable to deal with these rare issues. Perhaps you should be more concerned with LCC, but you support these because you want cheap fares. In the end, LCC will kill more people than "rogue pilots"

The Aviation Industry has a great reporting culture, and the reasons why it is so successful and a great contributor to safety is the fact that pilots are able to approach their employer about any issues with their privacy assured and without repercussions. As a matter of fact, airlines are very proactive in monitoring the wellbeing of all Flight Crew and have external consultants and service providers, at great expense to assist them and their employees and they will give their staff every assistance under the sun to get the employee back to work. The industry endorses these types of peer and mentor monitoring schemes.

It's a great system which actually works very well. Nothing will ever be 100%

What the media is proposing is destroying all this in one foul swoop.

And you should be monitored for your fitness to possess a computer!

You say you are a pilot ?

Every person I speak to is very concerned with the mass media commentary and the howlings of the so called experts with no consultation from the industry whatsoever.

If this goes the wrong way, then there is going to be turmoil and industrial action from the Unions, and it will be internationally coordinated between countries and jurisdictions.

You lot, should stop listening to the media so much because I can see a big shit fight and even more potential or risk for something similar to occur. Pilots will just close ranks and there will be no communication with the employer.

Pilots will even be scared of taking time off to deal with anything in their personal lives and that is not a good place to be at all!

[miltiades]

You are deviating from the main substance of this tragedy. One fucking lunatic decides to take down an aircraft full of people and murder them. Who gives a shit what the media may or may not say. The fact is this fucking barbarian took the lives of so many people, the public have a right that the industry is seen to impose stringent controls as to who can and who can not be in charge of their lives. I dont really care about the methods used provided that when I get on a plane I will be safe in the hands of whoever happens to be in control of the aircraft.

Grow up now, I will never fly with ...you in control!!

[Paphitis]

Under ICAO rules, each airline has a Drug and Alcohol Management Plan. We have testing under 3 sets of criteria - random, suspicion based, and post incident.

The repercussions for testing positive is dismissal.

However, our reporting structures are quite involved. A pilot can go to the employer and say "I have been taking such and such a drug because I have such and such going on my life".

The rules stipulate that under this regime, the Pilot is to be temporarily relieved and referred to various counsellors and medical professionals. Any other assistance that is requested by the employee or medical professionals and counsellors will be engaged. The idea is for the counsellors and medical professionals to get the employee back to work after a period of recovery and rehabilitation.


A pilot can also report to his employer that he or she had a binge of alcohol the night before, even only just before their flight and relieve themselves from duty. The most that can come of this is perhaps a written warning and counseling if there is something more serious going on. There are rostered crews on standby for this and for illness such as colds and anything else.

This is the type of culture we want and need. What is being suggested by the stupid tv "experts" will not work.

Stupid idiots only care about their ratings and selling newspapers and the advertising dollar.

Plane crashes are big business for them.

[Paphitis]

You are deviating from the main substance of this tragedy. One fucking lunatic decides to take down an aircraft full of people and murder them. Who gives a shit what the media may or may not say. The fact is this fucking barbarian took the lives of so many people, the public have a right that the industry is seen to impose stringent controls as to who can and who can not be in charge of their lives. I dont really care about the methods used provided that when I get on a plane I will be safe in the hands of whoever happens to be in control of the aircraft.

Grow up now, I will never fly with ...you in control!!

You're the fucking lunatic and should stick to selling pots and pans.

So far, only the lead French Investigator has made such a claim and perhaps he was a little premature about releasing such information from the CVR.

The FDR has not even been recovered yet.

This investigator is not a Judge or prosecutor and shouldn't be making such calls without having collected and analyzed all the evidence.

[Pyrpolizer]

I ve heard in the news that if this pilot was really a psychopath with proven medical record, Insurance companies won't pay.
And if they won't Lufthansa may go bankrupt having to pay it all out of their own pocket.
Any comments?