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Re: happy eoga day

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:14 pm

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Sotos wrote:Why do you feel the need to single out Makarios and EOKA? Do you think that the rest of us native Cypriots wanted you thieving, criminal invaders in our island? :roll: Your minority has always been an extension of Turkey in Cyprus. Along with the Turkish army, the Turkish Settlers (new and old) are the weapons that Turkey is using to take away our lands, our freedom and our rights. You are NOT a normal minority like all the others we have and with whom we never had any problems and conflicts. You are pawns in the service of the Turkish Expansionism.


There you go Lordo, we need to pack our bags and leave, we are not wanted in our country. We've only been here for 5 centuries so we are considered to be OUTSIDERS.


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Re: happy eoga day

Postby MR-from-NG » Thu Apr 02, 2015 7:23 pm

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MR-from-NG wrote:
Sotos wrote:Why do you feel the need to single out Makarios and EOKA? Do you think that the rest of us native Cypriots wanted you thieving, criminal invaders in our island? :roll: Your minority has always been an extension of Turkey in Cyprus. Along with the Turkish army, the Turkish Settlers (new and old) are the weapons that Turkey is using to take away our lands, our freedom and our rights. You are NOT a normal minority like all the others we have and with whom we never had any problems and conflicts. You are pawns in the service of the Turkish Expansionism.


There you go Lordo, we need to pack our bags and leave, we are not wanted in our country. We've only been here for 5 centuries so we are considered to be OUTSIDERS.


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Re: happy eoga day

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:15 pm

If I was a foreigner with absolutely no clue of Cyprus's history

I 'd guess Lordo the Lourigina Latin guy who converted to Islam to pay less taxes was a master.
And that those who abandoned Cyprus en masse after the British took over were the poor TCs, leaving the masters behind.

Furthermore I 'd guess that the GCs had absolutely no problems with those who Invaded their country be it the Arabs, the Francs,the Venetians and the British. They only hated the Ottomans...

With these false assumptions you will never be able to understand why the average folk lived peacefully together for centuries in Cyprus.
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Re: happy eoga day

Postby supporttheunderdog » Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:21 pm

What the article correctly identifies is that (a) Cyprus would have got independance without the terrorism of Eoka and (b) enosis would not have resulted in Liberation but would have left Cyprus under a facist /military dictatorship.

As i have also commented in the past, I think it woukd have left Cyprus destitute, with any one with any get up and go about them getting up and going, as under Greece Cyprus would end up with a lot less buisiness and employment oppertunities than it has ever had as they would all be in Athens. One only need look ar Rural depopulation in Greece.

eoka in fact blew it, literally when Harding visited. The bombing that marked his visit brought an end before they had started to the serious negotiations which could have lead to home rule. That would have lead to the creation of an assembly which could have been based on one man one vote, no regard to ethnicity/language/religion. It would have allowed for the development of a more secure power base for big Mak. With that assembly in place, and internal stability, something not enjoyed due to conflict within the GSC community, Big Mak could have got a far better deal with independance. He however overplayed his hand as happened in 1963 with the first evil A plan, the acritas plan.

The rest is History.
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Re: happy eoga day

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:23 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:What the article correctly identifies is that (a) Cyprus would have got independance without the terrorism of Eoka and (b)


FALSE!

- Britain categorically stated it would NEVER give up Cyprus!

The proof is:

(1) the fact they went back on their word to hand Cyprus back to Greece after the WWII veterans returned,

and

(2) the fact it took the USA to convince them all they needed was the BASES - which they still f*cking (yes, I said f*cking!) retain to THIS DAY!

Without EOKA, Cyprus would be 100% under British rule (which is no different to Turkish rule, right?)

Right now, we have 60% and with a little fortitude, we can make that 100%. No Turks no Colonial-Brits.
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Re: happy eoga day

Postby kurupetos » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:36 pm

MR-from-NG wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
MR-from-NG wrote:
Sotos wrote:Why do you feel the need to single out Makarios and EOKA? Do you think that the rest of us native Cypriots wanted you thieving, criminal invaders in our island? :roll: Your minority has always been an extension of Turkey in Cyprus. Along with the Turkish army, the Turkish Settlers (new and old) are the weapons that Turkey is using to take away our lands, our freedom and our rights. You are NOT a normal minority like all the others we have and with whom we never had any problems and conflicts. You are pawns in the service of the Turkish Expansionism.


There you go Lordo, we need to pack our bags and leave, we are not wanted in our country. We've only been here for 5 centuries so we are considered to be OUTSIDERS.


Five Centuries as INVADERS! Then and now!

We never forget!

Your masters then your masters now and forever.

Just because they raped your grand...-mother doesn't make you a master.
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Re: happy eoga day

Postby kurupetos » Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:37 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:What the article correctly identifies is that (a) Cyprus would have got independance without the terrorism of Eoka and (b) enosis would not have resulted in Liberation but would have left Cyprus under a facist /military dictatorship.

As i have also commented in the past, I think it woukd have left Cyprus destitute, with any one with any get up and go about them getting up and going, as under Greece Cyprus would end up with a lot less buisiness and employment oppertunities than it has ever had as they would all be in Athens. One only need look ar Rural depopulation in Greece.

eoka in fact blew it, literally when Harding visited. The bombing that marked his visit brought an end before they had started to the serious negotiations which could have lead to home rule. That would have lead to the creation of an assembly which could have been based on one man one vote, no regard to ethnicity/language/religion. It would have allowed for the development of a more secure power base for big Mak. With that assembly in place, and internal stability, something not enjoyed due to conflict within the GSC community, Big Mak could have got a far better deal with independance. He however overplayed his hand as happened in 1963 with the first evil A plan, the acritas plan.

The rest is History.

British colonialism is history. Take your bases and fuck off! :wink:
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Re: happy eoga day

Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:45 pm

GreekIslandGirl wrote:
- Britain categorically stated it would NEVER give up Cyprus!



Ok suppose they would never do. We would end up something like Australia-local Government under Her Majesty the F*ing Queen.
Horrors!! :wink:
What puzzles me though is how come most of you guys are now living in England and Australia? Why didn't you emigrate to Greece? :roll:
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Re: happy eoga day

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:57 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:
GreekIslandGirl wrote:
- Britain categorically stated it would NEVER give up Cyprus!



Ok suppose they would never do. We would end up something like Australia-local Government under Her Majesty the F*ing Queen.
Horrors!! :wink:
What puzzles me though is how come most of you guys are now living in England and Australia? Why didn't you emigrate to Greece? :roll:


Australia was always a special case. We would never have ended up like Australia as we were never like Australia in the first place. We are the only Christian population they colonized (Ireland is a special case but no coincidence they still hold on to that too), for gods sake, doesn't that tell you something of how important Cyprus was to Britain strategically? Australia was aboriginal, not Christian, btw.

As for where people choose to live, how is that relevant to justifying colonialism or invasion? Please tell me. Respecting sovereignty and allowing free movement is not mutually excuse is it? Otherwise, what is the EU about?

Maybe part of allowing Turkey to threaten and destroy our country was what drove many to temporary moves and part of Britain's strategy. You've lived abroad and returned. Many have. Free movement has nothing to do with it. You can tell those who never want to return - but if born in Cyprus, they still have some rights unless it's to promote the Turkish occupation.
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Re: happy eoga day

Postby Sotos » Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:48 am

supporttheunderdog wrote:(a) Cyprus would have got independance without the terrorism of Eoka


Terrorism is when you use force to oppress the native population and rule over what does not belong to you. EOKA was the revolution of the native people against the foreign oppressors. Couldn't be more clear than that.The HISTORICAL FACT is that Cyprus DIDN'T get independence without EOKA. It was over a decade after WWII when UN was established and Colonialism was condemned but the British were still occupying Cyprus.

(b) enosis would not have resulted in Liberation but would have left Cyprus under a facist /military dictatorship.


And you know that because some idiot in Cyprus Mail said so? :lol: Here is the relevant part from the "History of Modern Greece" in Wikipedia. The military dictatorship was not until 1967.

After the civil war, Greece sought to join the Western democracies and became a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in 1952.

Since the Civil war (1946–49) but even more after that, the parties in the parliament were divided in three political concentrations. The political formation Right-Centre-Left, given the exacerbation of political animosity that had preceded dividing the country in the 40s, tended to turn the concurrence of parties into ideological positions.


Workmen grade the street in front of new housing constructed with the help of Marshall Plan funds in Greece.
In the beginning of the 1950s, the forces of the Centre (EPEK) succeeded in gaining the power and under the leadership of the aged general N. Plastiras they governed for about half a four-year term. These were a series of governments having limited manoeuvre ability and inadequate influence in the political arena. This government, as well as those that followed, was constantly under the American auspices. The defeat of EPEK in the elections of 1952, apart from increasing the repressive measures that concerned the defeated of the Civil war, also marked the end of the general political position that it represented, namely political consensus and social reconciliation.

The Left, which had been ostracized from the political life of the country, found a way of expression through the constitution of EDA (United Democratic Left) in 1951, which turned out to be a significant pole, yet steadily excluded from the decision making centres. After the disbandment of the Centre as an autonomous political institution, EDA practically expanded its electoral influence to a significant part of the EAM-based Centre-Left.

The 1960s are part of the period 1953-72, during which Greek economy developed rapidly and was structured within the scope of European and worldwide economic developments. One of the main characteristics of that period was the major political event - as we have come to accept it - of the country's accession in the EEC, in an attempt to create a common market. The relevant treaty was contracted in 1962.

The developmental strategy adopted by the country was embodied in centrally organized five-year plans; yet their orientation was indistinct. The average annual emigration, which absorbed the excess workforce and contributed to extremely high growth rates, exceeded the annual natural increase in population. The influx of large amounts of foreign private capital was being facilitated and consumption was expanded. These, associated with the rise of tourism, the expansion of shipping activity and with the migrant remittances, had a positive effect on the balance of payments.

The peak of development was registered principally in manufacture, mainly in the textile and chemical industry and in the sector of metallurgy, the growth rate of which tended to reach 11% during 1965-70. The other large branch where obvious economic and social consequences were brought about, was that of construction. Consideration, a Greek invention, favoured the creation of a class of small-medium contractors on one hand and settled the housing system and property status on the other.

During that decade, youth came forth in society as a distinct social power with autonomous presence (creation of a new culture in music, fashion etc.) and displaying dynamism in the assertion of their social rights. The independence granted to Cyprus, which was mined from the very beginning, constituted the main focus of young activist mobilizations, along with struggles aiming at reforms in education, which were provisionally realized to a certain extent through the educational reform of 1964. The country reckoned on and was influenced by Europe - usually behind time - and by the current trends like never before. Thus, in a sense, the imposition of the military junta conflicted with the social and cultural occurrences.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_modern_Greece
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