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[GreekIslandGirl]

All those 'self-evident' distortions of what you understood and NOTHING to support your claim of threats for sanctions or an expulsion.

On and on you go oblivious to the FACTS and REALITY.

The facts and reality are that Greece is receiving nothing but extra help in the form of Frontex as recommended, and in addition help from NATO.

Now, go figure HOW and WHY you have got it soooooooooooo wrong!

[erolz66]

All those 'self-evident' distortions of what you understood and NOTHING to support your claim of threats for sanctions or an expulsion.

The EU Commission issue a press release about a Schenegen evaluation report on Greece, that they are yet to adopt. They explicitly say that the yet to be adopted report has found serious deficiencies by Greece. They go on to explicitly lay out how this could, under existing schengen acquis such could lead to suspension of Greece. This EU Commission press release leads to hundreds of press reports under headlines like 'EU threatens Greece with supension' - some even go further and talk about expulsion, even though there is currently no mechanism for such under current schegen acquis.

On and on you go oblivious to the FACTS and REALITY.

The above are all facts - supported by the Press release itself and the 100's of headlines across the worlds media. This was all laid out in the first few posts of this 'discussion'.

What are NOT facts and are not supported by anything are your claims. Claims like

The press release is not talking about a specific evaluation report on Greece - but are in fact talking about an entirely different document. Blatantly untrue and repeatedly shown to be untrue.

The EU Commission is more critical of Sweden that it is of Greece in regards to implementation of Schengen obligations. Blatantly not true.

The press release is 'not the EU Commission' - blatantly not true.

The press release's purpose is to invite discussion from others about the issue - blatantly not true.

Greece has no obligations in terms of managing external borders within Greece - all such responsibility fall solely on EU Federal bodies alone. Blatantly not true.

The EU commission has not criticised Greece. Blatantly not true.

and on and on and on and on you go. This is what you do GiG. It is what you have always done. Actual reality means nothing to you - it is simply irrelevant as far as you are concerned.

The facts and reality are that Greece is receiving nothing but extra help in the form of Frontex as recommended, and in addition help from NATO.

This is so blatantly and clearly also just not true - yet on and on and on you go - just ignoring actual reality.

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press ... of-greece/

On 12 February 2016, the Council adopted a recommendation on addressing serious deficiencies identified during an evaluation of Greece's application of the Schengen acquis in the area of external border management. The recommendation proposes to Greece remedial action to address these deficiencies.

Where, after three months from the adoption of the Council recommendation, serious deficiencies persist and the measures taken have not proved sufficient, the Commission may trigger the application of the procedure provided for in article 26 of the Schengen Borders Code.

Under article 26 of the Schengen Borders Code, the Commission may propose a recommendation, to be adopted by the Council by qualified majority, to reintroduce controls at all or specific parts of the border of one or more member states as a matter of last resort. They may be introduced for a period of up to six months. Controls can be prolonged for additional six month periods up to a maximum duration of two years.

Now, go figure HOW and WHY you have got it soooooooooooo wrong!

Why do you not go figure out how and why you were and are so wrong when you claimed the evaluation report that EU Commission first discussed, then adopted and then was adopted by the Council was NOT the evaluation report they all clearly and explicitly stated it was - but was in fact and entirely different report that was not even an evaluation report at all. I mean you have only made this totally untrue claim like 15 times (often screaming and shouting it in bold large text). ?

This is what you do here on these forums. This is what you have always done.

[GreekIslandGirl]

Erolz, a week is a long time in politics but you've been peddling the same garbage for over a month now!

You stubbornly refuse to admit your lies and false claims plus flagrant distortion of the aims of the committees.

Since then, President Tusk has demonstrated exactly what the outcome from those Evaluations entails and it is exactly as I have said - more help for Greece - and completely counter to your claims of sanctions and expulsion.

[erolz66]

You stubbornly refuse to admit your lies and false claims plus flagrant distortion of the aims of the committees.

No I am stubbornly stating the facts in the face of your incessant distortions of the truth. Distortions that have been meticulously laid out and shown as such over and over again.

Since then, President Tusk has demonstrated exactly what the outcome from those Evaluations entails and it is exactly as I have said - more help for Greece - and completely counter to your claims of sanctions and expulsion.

Yet more distortion.

That you arguments are totally unsupportable is easy to (once again) show by asking you some simple straight forward questions. Questions that you will simply refuse to answer - because answering them will show that you do not have a leg to stand on. yet not answering them, as you surely will not, itself just demonstrates that you do not have a leg to stand on.

Was there a Schengen evaluation report on Greece produced following an unannounced on-site evaluation visit to Greek sea border sites (Chios and Samos Islands) and land border sites (Orestiada, Fylakio, Kastanies, Nea Vyssa) from 10 to 13 November 2015, that was solely about Greece and that is called the "Schengen evaluation report on Greece" ? Yes or no

You will not answer this question because you can not without showing how you have systematically sought to distort absolute objective fact. Yet by refusing to answer it you just show that you have been systematically distorted absolute objective fact.

There are many other simple questions that could be asked that do the same thing and that you will just refuse to address.

Did the Schengen evaluation report on Greece report concluded that Greece is seriously neglecting its obligations and that there are serious deficiencies in the carrying out of external border controls that must be overcome and dealt with by the Greek authorities. Yes or No ?

You will not answer this question because you can not without showing how you have systematically sought to distort absolute objective fact. Yet by refusing to answer it you just show that you have been systematically distorting absolute objective fact.

Was the Implementing Decision taken by the Council of the European Union on 12 Feb 2016 (5985/16) based on the conclusions of the Schengen evaluation report on Greece ? Yes or not ?

You will not answer this question because you can not without showing how you have systematically sought to distort absolute objective fact. Yet by refusing to answer it you just show that you have been systematically distorting absolute objective fact.

Does the Implementing Decision taken by the Council of the European Union on 12 Feb 2016 (5985/16) contain specific measures that Greece needs to take to address the serious deficiencies identified in the Schengen evaluation report on Greece ? yes or No ?

You will not answer this question because you can not without showing how you have systematically sought to distort absolute objective fact. Yet by refusing to answer it you just show that you have been systematically distorting absolute objective fact.

Does the Implementing Decision taken by the Council of the European Union on 12 Feb 2016 (5985/16) set a specific timeframe of three months within which the measures Greece needs to take to address the serious deficiencies identified in the Schengen evaluation report on Greece must be completed ? yes or No ?

You will not answer this question because you can not without showing how you have systematically sought to distort absolute objective fact. Yet by refusing to answer it you just show that you have been systematically distorting absolute objective fact.

[supporttheunderdog]

That's just it. It was never discussed by the EU Commission. Erolz lies.

Being discussed by anti-Greek propaganda merchants, like stud and erolz, and click-hungry media are the only sources or rumours for an 'expulsion'.

That is not correct but typical of your lies and distortion.

We have both at different times refered to either official EU press releases or other official EU documents which have cleary showed that Greece faces possible suspension from Schengen, at least in part, in terms of having to reintroduce at least some border controls for travel to other EU member states.

Do you deny that is the case,
1) that under para 4 of ec2007/2004 Greece is responsible for its external borders?
2) following an inspection in November, the results of which were not available when the 8th Biannual report on the functioning of Shengen was issued in Mid December, that Greece was found in serious violation of certain Obligations under the Schengen rules as incorporated in Eu law to control the external border and in particular to properly record who was passing in to the EU through it?
3) that serious violation was the subject of an official eu press release (not discussion document) on 27th Jan which specifically refered to sanctions that could be imposed under art 19 b and Article 26 of the SBC?
4) that on 2nd Feb the commission adopted the inspection report on Greece as reported in an official Eu press release (not discussion document) of 3rd feb?
5) that in Mid Feb the council adopted the report and under article 19b the Council has imposed the sanction of requiring Greece to implement certain measures to improve compliance with her Schengen obligations and threatened that if she fails to do so, Greece may have the sanction imposed of having to apply at least some border checks for travel to other Schengen states, as reported in official EU documents, ie at least a partisl suspension from Schengen, all as reported in official EU sources? ..

Note no references to the gutter press or other MSM, only to official eu papers or press releases. Those are what you have to explain away....

I think all of these can be answered by a simple yes or no. No doubt if you reply at all it will be in your ususl bombastic but evasive if not mendacious style...

[GreekIslandGirl]

What's the point (other than trolling) of either of you posting stuff that's over a month old and has been rubbished by the EU Commission's actions - actually carrying out the recommendations that I have been discussing which is to move towards a concerted European effort and give Greece more help with the joint EU external borders?

You are both monkeys dancing to an out-of-tune organ grinder.

[erolz66]

What's the point ....

Five simple straight forward questions from me, 5 from supporttheunderdog and you can not answer a single one. Exactly as predicited

You will not answer the question because you can not without showing how you have systematically sought to distort absolute objective fact. Yet by refusing to answer it you just show that you have been systematically distorting absolute objective fact.

You are both monkeys dancing to an out-of-tune organ grinder.

As ever when you have no where else to go , you go to ad hominem attacks. Same old same old.

10 simple questions and your previous lies and distortions now require you to avoid every single one of them, which is what you are doing and will continue to do. You are so transparent.

[Cap]

Gawd help us if this country ever implodes.
We've been sold out by the GrecoTurkish scum for how long?
The Brits only care about their bases.


So as a Cypriot I don't have a Greek, Turkish or British passport/ID. (our so called Guarantors)



If the sh** hits the fan, I have only my fellow Cypriot as back up.

[GreekIslandGirl]

This thread was about the good things that the locals have done in helping their fellow man. And about the recognition they have been given with the nomination for the Nobel Peace Prize.

It's unforgivable that in his very first post erolz had to ignore such goodness and try and degrade these achievements with posts that indicate hatred - more so, to then make up claims about what the EU Commission recommended. Then to take pages and pages repeating deflections trying to justify his lies with further distortions and outdated irrelevancies.

Just move on, please.

[supporttheunderdog]

Gawd help us if this country ever implodes.
We've been sold out by the GrecoTurkish scum for how long?
The Brits only care about their bases.


So as a Cypriot I don't have a Greek, Turkish or British passport/ID. (our so called Guarantors)



If the sh** hits the fan, I have only my fellow Cypriot as back up.

I, for one, as a Brit, think the Sovereign base areas should be abolished and the territory brought under the full control of the ROC, preferably as a part of a comprehensive settlement. I have long seen them as an anomaly.