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[Pyrpolizer]

Pyrp,

I have a TC in my family, married to my cousin. We get on great but we do not talk politics.

Most Tc's I have met are good people. Just dont talk politics, or until you have an argument over something and they let everything out. There are exceptions. I had a good female friend who was TC. we shared a moment.

I remember a long time ago, we lived next door to a TC family in the UK for years. Father TC, mother from Turkey. They had sons, we used to play footie together, always round each others houses. eating, watching movies, playing video games, cracking jokes. We were like brothers. For years. When solomou tried to take down the Turkish flag and got shot in the neck, obviously it was all over the Turkish and Greek news. The TC father came out in to his garden and met my dad, who was also outside in our garden and they had an argument. He said something which was inappropriate and things were not the same between them again. Obviously, he was defending the Turks.

I am glad you have first hand experience. I agree once you start talking politics the situation may go astray within seconds,like in this forum.
I only talked politics with one TC that I met, it was OK within mutual understanding spirit. I even asked him if he lost a loved one over the years. He said one of his uncles was found shot dead in the 60s.He said he was a TMT. He stressed to me they DON'T know who killed him. I pushed him a bit telling him "OK you DON'T know who killed him,but don't you personally think the GC's did it?" He reluctantly told me that Denktash had him in the list of martyrs as been killed by GCs, but the reality is the guy was messing around with married women.

[Lordo]

i have plenty of gc friends and we always talk politics with no problems what so ever. you boys and girls on here have one small failing. you think the problem started in 74. you also blame tmt for 63 to 74. you know nobody is perfect. your brains are mush but i have no problem with that.

your problem really get some help.

[Maximus]

i have plenty of gc friends and we always talk politics with no problems what so ever. you boys and girls on here have one small failing. you think the problem started in 74. you also blame tmt for 63 to 74. you know nobody is perfect. your brains are mush but i have no problem with that.

your problem really get some help.

I dont speak for everyone but I think this is a myth thats commonly branded about that the GC's think the problem started in 74. It obviously started way before then, probably in the 50's when the colonialists started enrolling TC's in positions of authority and power and disregarded any form of democratic processes for Cyprus. Then in 1960 with the divisive and apartheid constitution. What happened between 63 to 74 was expected and planned by Britain and Turkey.

[Get Real!]

i have plenty of gc friends and we always talk politics with no problems what so ever. you boys and girls on here have one small failing. you think the problem started in 74. you also blame tmt for 63 to 74. you know nobody is perfect. your brains are mush but i have no problem with that.

your problem really get some help.

I dont speak for everyone but I think this is a myth thats commonly branded about that the GC's think the problem started in 74. It obviously started way before then, probably in the 50's when the colonialists started enrolling TC's in positions of authority and power and disregarded any form of democratic processes for Cyprus. Then in 1960 with the divisive and apartheid constitution. What happened between 63 to 74 was expected and planned by Britain and Turkey.

The CyProb started in 1571 when the first wave of the Anatolian invasion begun that took the lives of 20,000 of our forefathers in Nicosia alone. The Ottoman/Turkish invasions against us have never stopped since.

The most important thing for the native Cypriots to remember (or “GC”s if you prefer) is to keep the TC community from ever attaining any power in Cyprus.

This is the most crucial issue of the CyProb, and Lordo is a constant reminder of their evil intentions to wipe out the native Cypriots and turn Cyprus into a minaret-infested mini Turkey.

I’m sure you’ve often heard him brag about the thousands of Anatolians they would encourage to bring over upon an “agreed solution” where they would attain power and thus start playing games 24/7.

The TC dream has always been to outnumber us so as to outpower us and redefine Cyprus into their version of Ottomano-Cypro bastardised whatever.

You’d better believe it because like Lordo there are thousands of other Lordos with the same frame of mind just across the roadblock.

Make no mistake that… the day they attain any power with our signature is the day you can start counting how many years our people have left on the island.

An 10,000+ year nation of our Cypriot forefathers will have been wiped out forever to a bunch illiterate Anatolians who outsmarted us out of our own country and into obscurity!

The TC community must always be treated on an individual basis and never allowed any leverage as a political force.

[Pyrpolizer]

i have plenty of gc friends and we always talk politics with no problems what so ever. you boys and girls on here have one small failing. you think the problem started in 74. you also blame tmt for 63 to 74. you know nobody is perfect. your brains are mush but i have no problem with that.

your problem really get some help.

I dont speak for everyone but I think this is a myth thats commonly branded about that the GC's think the problem started in 74. It obviously started way before then, probably in the 50's when the colonialists started enrolling TC's in positions of authority and power and disregarded any form of democratic processes for Cyprus. Then in 1960 with the divisive and apartheid constitution. What happened between 63 to 74 was expected and planned by Britain and Turkey.

The CyProb started in 1571 when the first wave of the Anatolian invasion begun that took the lives of 20,000 of our forefathers in Nicosia alone. The Ottoman/Turkish invasions against us have never stopped since.

The most important thing for the native Cypriots to remember (or “GC”s if you prefer) is to keep the TC community from ever attaining any power in Cyprus.

This is the most crucial issue of the CyProb, and Lordo is a constant reminder of their evil intentions to wipe out the native Cypriots and turn Cyprus into a minaret-infested mini Turkey.

I’m sure you’ve often heard him brag about the thousands of Anatolians they would encourage to bring over upon an “agreed solution” where they would attain power and thus start playing games 24/7.

The TC dream has always been to outnumber us so as to outpower us and redefine Cyprus into their version of Ottomano-Cypro bastardised whatever.

You’d better believe it because like Lordo there are thousands of other Lordos with the same frame of mind just across the roadblock.

Make no mistake that… the day they attain any power with our signature is the day you can start counting how many years our people have left on the island.

An 10,000+ year nation of our Cypriot forefathers will have been wiped out forever to a bunch illiterate Anatolians who outsmarted us out of our own country and into obscurity!

The TC community must always be treated on an individual basis and never allowed any leverage as a political force.

Cyprus is not such a great place to attract huge population or influx of Anatolians. That's the main reason half the native population CONSTANTLY emigrates. The birth rate of the native TCs is below the minimum for sustaining their numbers,exactly the same as that of the GCs. I foresee absolutely no change in populations in an acceptable solution.
Your fears are groundless.

You put too much credit on Lordo who himself coming from Lurucina is not even a real TC. Just some spastic mixture of ex Venetians or something. That's why he speaks so hard. Those guys are tough as nails.

[umit07]

You put too much credit on Lordo who himself coming from Lurucina is not even a real TC. Just some spastic mixture of ex Venetians or something. That's why he speaks so hard. Those guys are tough as nails.

This made me laugh so hard, I spat my chewing gum onto the screen.

[Kikapu]

You put too much credit on Lordo who himself coming from Lurucina is not even a real TC. Just some spastic mixture of ex Venetians or something. That's why he speaks so hard. Those guys are tough as nails.

Well, spastic something anyway!

[MR-from-NG]

CYPRUS. We are Cypriots. That is what we have in common with you.

Is that it?

In what way are you Cypriots?

[I have no intention of attacking or killing anyone. I am more concerned and troubled about the possibility of being attacked by your community or Turkey for ignoring / paying no mind to your communities undemocratic ways and demands for shares and a veto. Its your community that uses force to gets its way and plunder to Turkify Cyprus]

Do you not think we are Cypriots? We've been here for 444 years and you still want to deny me my right to call myself Cypriot. We have much more in common that just sharing Cyprus. We look alike, we think alike, we are (majority) decent, honest, caring, generous people and we want to live in harmony on this beautiful island. We want a peaceful settlement as much as you do, I can assure you.

Harmony in my opinion is democracy, rule of law, freedom of expression and assembly.
abolish of guarantors
respect of peoples property
no divisive constitution or zones.
no shares or vetos for communities.
Turkish troops and settlers out of Cyprus.
Cyprus an EU member state

If we think alike then this is what your community (majority) should be thinking. Is it?

Contrary to common belief the vast majority of TC's do indeed share these values. Your cousins TC husband wouldn't by any chance be a dry cleaner named Kem (Kemal) in Palmers Green would it?

[MR-from-NG]

Maximus, I just remembered what B25 thinks of GC girls marrying TC's, if my memory serves me well he calls them lowlife slag/scum. Can you please tell me if your cousin is a lowlife slag/scum?

[umit07]

I will take 50 to 1 that the TC's will be eliminated first, then the problem will be resolved.

It might take another 50 years but I think this is more likely than anything else.

That is so stupid that I wouldn't even take your bet. Assuming what you say is a possible scenario wouldn't the TC's demand for Turkey's guarantee be crucial then?

I think you may find that the TCs will be eliminated as a result of Turkey's guarantees. Remember their primary objective was to secure a presence on the island, it was not to "save" the Turkish Cypriots. We know that many of you are not happy with the huge influx of mainlanders and its associated Turkification. So here's a scenario; the Turkish Cypriots want to be their own masters (As Ankinci has already said) but Turkey won't loosen its grip and uses the settlers to foment unrest leading to violence and ultimately armed conflict. It's obvious who would come out on top, where would the vanquished TCs go. Turkey has used you for its own ends, your own security force is impotent, ask yourself why the Turkish Cypriot defence force is so small, ask yourself why the local police are under the direct control of the military?

Whatever the outcome of the current talks you will be swallowed up by Turkey or leave Cyprus for good. You may want to keep most of the conquered territory, I bet Turkey will settle for less in an attempt to keep the guarantees.

On the other side of the coin we have a "Republic" with the national anthem of a foreign country, whose top military commander is from Greece. Remind you of another "Republic" not so far away? The average TC sees guarantees as a deterrent to the GC's trying to unilaterally overturn any new settlement, I'm sorry to say this in such a crude manner but most TC's feel that the mere threat of force from Turkey would be enough to keep GC's inline with any agreed solution. Does this mean that TC's will support any Turkish aggression against a unified Cyprus? No. The GC side has yet to provide any reasonable remedy to alleviate such concerns.

But Turkey wants the guarantees to further its own ends not to protect you, I wouldn't put it past Erdogan to instigate trouble and make a move. This is not the 1950s or 60s, do you seriously believe that, within the EU, the Greek Cypriot government would attack the Turkish Cypriots. Ankinci would be well advised to demand EU and UN guarantees with teeth rather than Turkey's self serving guarantees. Turkey has abused its position, it's in nobody's interest that it remains a guarantor.

I give merit to your fears about Turkey using guarantees to further their interests, why not impose safeguards in that order? In regards to us not being in the (50's , 60's or 70's ), I'd like to point out that I was not even alive during those periods, it makes little difference IMO. People do terrible things in the name of nationalism or religion. TC's want to safeguard that the "solution" will not be unilaterally modified by GC's, i.e; another 13 amendments debacle.