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[Mustiejodu]

Oh Nikita another point here is that I don't like flags being put on mountains either . Firstly I find it unacceptable that nature is being ruined in that manner. There should be a law against that and I am sure if the North was part of EU that there are regulations about this . It's a eye sore. I think mustafa AKINCi as part of the confidence building measure get those paintings on the mounting removed and let a mountain be a mountain. And for the record I don't like the look of the TC flag or the cyprus flag. Both look like a after thought with no real historical backing and they don't represent the real truth cyprus . I love the look of the turkish flag as it has meaning to me but that is as far as it goes with flags . I also like the greek flag. But I don't want flags in my face so please TC brothers can you please ease up on the flags on every street corner. Me and the wife who is GC we have a joke about the amount of flags we see when we cross over. The kids all ways ask why do TCs have so many flags when we drive around and the wife says they just love flags . What can you say.

[Nikitas]

We had a small scale civil war, and as in all civil wars there were horrors and casualties suffered on both sides. Compared to other civil wars our casualty figures shrink in magnitute, yet other countries got over their internal conflicts.

In Cyprus one community has matured after the conflict and has managed to face and deal succesfully with major crises and is succesfully coming out of a financial melt down. One has refused to mature. The flags and the frantic changing of place names are signs of that immaturity. Grandiose monuments point to an underlying insecurity. When you need to change the name Komi Kebir, which is not Greek, to another name to feel at home, you have a problem that is unrelated to the conflict. It is something else, that needs to be worked out by that community before a solution.

We constantly hear the phrase "face the new reality". Question is who is refusing to face reality, new or otherwise.

[Lordo]

We had a small scale civil war, and as in all civil wars there were horrors and casualties suffered on both sides. Compared to other civil wars our casualty figures shrink in magnitute, yet other countries got over their internal conflicts.

In Cyprus one community has matured after the conflict and has managed to face and deal succesfully with major crises and is succesfully coming out of a financial melt down. One has refused to mature. The flags and the frantic changing of place names are signs of that immaturity. Grandiose monuments point to an underlying insecurity. When you need to change the name Komi Kebir, which is not Greek, to another name to feel at home, you have a problem that is unrelated to the conflict. It is something else, that needs to be worked out by that community before a solution.

We constantly hear the phrase "face the new reality". Question is who is refusing to face reality, new or otherwise.

you forget tcs voted yes to a plan that un usa greece terggy and eu agreed with. so who exactly is in reality again.

[Nikitas]

If they agreed that your reality is valid they would have recognised the trunc. They do not, and that proves which reality they really accept.

[Lordo]

If they agreed that your reality is valid they would have recognised the trunc. They do not, and that proves which reality they really accept.

not at all. the tcs have not as yet asked for recognition in the 2004 vote. it was not even mentioned. you make it up as you go along like a spoilt child. tc patience is fast running out with your childish games. but be warned once they decide on recognition than it will the end of the negotiations. there will be no need for any more negotiations. if the crime and and other parts of ukraine can vote for self determinations so can the tcs. so wise up and soon.

[Nikitas]

The ocupation as well as the subsequent 1983 "state" creation have been condemned several times by the UN, the Council of Europe, the EU. That is the difference between Cyprus and Ukraine and Kossovo and other places.

The only entity that can legalise TC independence is the RoC, ironic but true.

The only entity that does NOT want an independent TC state is Turkey. Just look up Davut's statements regarding the oil and gas finds and how refusal of the GCs to share would lead to partition. Even he understands the situation and the options available if recognition is gained.

Because independence means automatic loss of any claims to ALL of the southern territory, land,sea and EEZ, and if you look at the map you will realise that such a move will multiply the territory of the south but will minimally increase the territory of the north. The forty miles between Kyrenia and Turkey become a choke hold.

It also means the south will be free to sign any union or alliance accord it wishes with any nation it wants.

Aint international law a MF!

[Lordo]

you are still clueless. international law belongs to the five permanent members of the un security council. and it has been for some time.

[Nikitas]

So the only thing you need to do to gain recognition is to convince five nations to go along. By definition they would also agree to all the bits mentioned above re territory and EEZ and you will end up losing more than you gain. Unless you want to become a province of Turkey.

Thing is that not all TCs think like you. The people who moved to my grandfather's village from Polis demolished all the empty houses, including our ancestral home. Asked why they said they did not want any "koulloufi" from Turkey living next door to them. Same exact reason, (and the same word) was given to a friend re his house in Karavas.