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[Kikapu]

btw medical Marijuanna has already been introduced in Cyprus and the Ministry of Agriculture is trying to persuade farmers to start plantations..

Almost every teenager and older smoke/smoked weed in the USA, so the thinking is, make it legal under control and make money from it for the government. Cigarette smoking is much worse in the eyes of those who smoke weed, so why not ban cigarettes? No hard drugs are permitted under the "Medicinal Purposes". This does not open the floodgates in the USA for the states to start over riding Federal Laws as Ocean thinks or that the same would happen in Cyprus under BBF. Under Annan Plan everything could have happened and I grant him that, but not under True Federation with a strong central government as the case is in the USA.

[Kikapu]

interesting that you think it is not significant that anastasiades is refereed to as the gc leader rather then president.

The interesting thing is that Kikapu got into the trouble of answering to your ignorance. I saw the question repeated over and over again, yet I felt too bored to even bother about it.in ALL local UN announcements concerning the negotiations, they were always both referred as the "2 leaders" and this backdates to decades

Yes, Lordo kept on asking the same question. He thought he won the lottery with the use of the term "leaders" and not president.

[Oceanside50]

btw medical Marijuanna has already been introduced in Cyprus and the Ministry of Agriculture is trying to persuade farmers to start plantations..

Almost every teenager and older smoke/smoked weed in the USA, so the thinking is, make it legal under control and make money from it for the government. Cigarette smoking is much worse in the eyes of those who smoke weed, so why not ban cigarettes? No hard drugs are permitted under the "Medicinal Purposes". This does not open the floodgates in the USA for the states to start over riding Federal Laws as Ocean thinks or that the same would happen in Cyprus under BBF. Under Annan Plan everything could have happened and I grant him that, but not under True Federation with a strong central government as the case is in the USA.

It's an instance of overriding federal law and that it can be done. I was on on a sidewalk in Washington dc the other day smoking a cig a black couple came up to me and asked for a light , I thought it was a cig I was lighting but instead was a blunt filled with pot, not kidding, i asked where he got it he said he grew it and was allowed. I asked if he had one for me and he said he couldn't do that it would be illegal. Now back to state vs federal laws. There are no more then 5 states including the district that allow pot, the other roughly 45 don't. Why do you think that is? In fact Virginia that borders the district doesn't allow pot. 2 miles away in Virginia and you get jail time.. Where's the difference?

[Lordo]

interesting that you think it is not significant that anastasiades is refereed to as the gc leader rather then president.

The interesting thing is that Kikapu got into the trouble of answering to your ignorance. I saw the question repeated over and over again, yet I felt too bored to even bother about it.in ALL local UN announcements concerning the negotiations, they were always both referred as the "2 leaders" and this backdates to decades

Yes, Lordo kept on asking the same question. He thought he won the lottery with the use of the term "leaders" and not president.

and of course you knew all along didnt you

dont laugh too much otherwise your head may fall off.

[Pyrpolizer]

pypro leave kikapu alone he can defend himslef, badly but he can do it himself.


look i am not against division. if you dont want the tcs that is fair enough. but i am not accepting 1 donum for donum basis my softalar land for your your northern cheap rubbish. just the same as i will not be exchanging my limasol house for one in girne and my shirley hoous for one in newcastlestan land. sure will sell and buy but on free market.

Yes on a free market 10 years after a solution when the prices in the free market will shape up themselves.
One day after a solution or 1 day before a solution we are not talking for free market prices.
Difficult for you to understand?
Not my problem

[Pyrpolizer]

It's an instance of overriding federal law and that it can be done. I was on on a sidewalk in Washington dc the other day smoking a cig a black couple came up to me and asked for a light , I thought it was a cig I was lighting but instead was a blunt filled with pot, not kidding, i asked where he got it he said he grew it and was allowed. I asked if he had one for me and he said he couldn't do that it would be illegal. Now back to state vs federal laws. There are no more then 5 states including the district that allow pot, the other roughly 45 don't. Why do you think that is? In fact Virginia that borders the district doesn't allow pot. 2 miles away in Virginia and you get jail time.. Where's the difference?

The important thing is to reach a reasonably acceptable BBF solution.
BBF may not be sustainable for say more than 20-40 years. The TCs may want permanent derogations to be sure it will last for ever. The Gcs will simply not accept, neither temporary, nor permanent derogations end of story..
The Tcs should digest the fact that BBF is just the start point. It may continue for ever be BBF it may not.
Nobody can guarantee it, and they cannot ask for derogations that violate basic human rights of the GCs just to be sure.
Lordo thinks he did us a favor by accepting maximum number of GCs residing in the TC Fed state of 50K LOL.
What the real number will be over the years nobody knows. the fact is nobody can set quota. The right to reside in any part of the Federation is undeniable.

Now as for your worries that they may impose laws based on an already existing racist agreement, that's very true, so the answer is we should not accept a racist agreement on the first place.

[Oceanside50]

It's an instance of overriding federal law and that it can be done. I was on on a sidewalk in Washington dc the other day smoking a cig a black couple came up to me and asked for a light , I thought it was a cig I was lighting but instead was a blunt filled with pot, not kidding, i asked where he got it he said he grew it and was allowed. I asked if he had one for me and he said he couldn't do that it would be illegal. Now back to state vs federal laws. There are no more then 5 states including the district that allow pot, the other roughly 45 don't. Why do you think that is? In fact Virginia that borders the district doesn't allow pot. 2 miles away in Virginia and you get jail time.. Where's the difference?

The important thing is to reach a reasonably acceptable BBF solution.
BBF may not be sustainable for say more than 20-40 years. The TCs may want permanent derogations to be sure it will last for ever. The Gcs will simply not accept, neither temporary, nor permanent derogations end of story..
The Tcs should digest the fact that BBF is just the start point. It may continue for ever be BBF it may not.
Nobody can guarantee it, and they cannot ask for derogations that violate basic human rights of the GCs just to be sure.
Lordo thinks he did us a favor by accepting maximum number of GCs residing in the TC Fed state of 50K LOL.
What the real number will be over the years nobody knows. the fact is nobody can set quota. The right to reside in any part of the Federation is undeniable.

Now as for your worries that they may impose laws based on an already existing racist agreement, that's very true, so the answer is we should not accept a racist agreement on the first place.

Even at best with no derogations the TC state could reverse and make it like the Annan plan, but with one it would not even be considered in any court because from that one you could have all through legal interpretation and because the Gc voted for it.. My question is this. Why have our astute politicians(idiots) played the game of wanting a BBF for the past 41 years?

[Pyrpolizer]

Even at best with no derogations the TC state could reverse and make it like the Annan plan, but with one it would not even be considered in any court because from that one you could have all through legal interpretation and because the Gc voted for it.. My question is this. Why have our astute politicians(idiots) played the game of wanting a BBF for the past 41 years?

Because Denktash wanted partition and was talking clearly to the UN of what he wanted.
Our wise guys (starting with Klerides) who always wanted to be praised as the good boys even pushed the UN to issue a resolution that the solution should be BBF with political equality.
So just like they got trapped with the Annan Plan of trying to show up as the good boys (remember Papadopoulos himself sent a letter to the UN asking for negotiations on the Annan Plan) they got trapped in this BBF deal as well.

[Kikapu]

Even at best with no derogations the TC state could reverse and make it like the Annan plan, but with one it would not even be considered in any court because from that one you could have all through legal interpretation and because the Gc voted for it.. My question is this. Why have our astute politicians(idiots) played the game of wanting a BBF for the past 41 years?

Because Denktash wanted partition and was talking clearly to the UN of what he wanted.
Our wise guys (starting with Klerides) who always wanted to be praised as the good boys even pushed the UN to issue a resolution that the solution should be BBF with political equality.
So just like they got trapped with the Annan Plan of trying to show up as the good boys (remember Papadopoulos himself sent a letter to the UN asking for negotiations on the Annan Plan) they got trapped in this BBF deal as well.

But Pyro, without the BBF deal, how else could the GCs get out of the 1959 agreements, specially once Turkey was already in Cyprus. BBF has bought a lot of time for the GCs as well as an opportunity to get rid of the 1959 agreements, and with a good BBF based on True Federation, there's always a chance the the country can once again become a unitary state in the future if all goes well with the TCs. Who knows, perhaps without BBF on the table for the last 40 odd years, it is possible the north would have been recognised by now. I don't know.

[Pyrpolizer]

Even at best with no derogations the TC state could reverse and make it like the Annan plan, but with one it would not even be considered in any court because from that one you could have all through legal interpretation and because the Gc voted for it.. My question is this. Why have our astute politicians(idiots) played the game of wanting a BBF for the past 41 years?

Because Denktash wanted partition and was talking clearly to the UN of what he wanted.
Our wise guys (starting with Klerides) who always wanted to be praised as the good boys even pushed the UN to issue a resolution that the solution should be BBF with political equality.
So just like they got trapped with the Annan Plan of trying to show up as the good boys (remember Papadopoulos himself sent a letter to the UN asking for negotiations on the Annan Plan) they got trapped in this BBF deal as well.

But Pyro, without the BBF deal, how else could the GCs get out of the 1959 agreements, specially once Turkey was already in Cyprus. BBF has bought a lot of time for the GCs as well as an opportunity to get rid of the 1959 agreements, and with a good BBF based on True Federation, there's always a chance the the country can once again become a unitary state in the future if all goes well with the TCs. Who knows, perhaps without BBF on the table for the last 40 odd years, it is possible the north would have been recognised by now. I don't know.

Problem is Kikapu that when BBF was first introduced there were very few settlers, practically no carpetbaggers, the number of the true Tcs was high enough, the majority of surplus housing was available for resettlement etc so we could reach a good BBF without much worries.Now we hear Nami saying he wants the minimum number of people relocating simply because he has no place to relocate them. We hear Morfou cannot be returned because it was developed.
Don't get me wrong in reality I respect Nami because from what I heard from his interviews he is a man who thinks of the difficulties of both the TCs and the Gcs and tries to find solutions under these very difficult conditions.
Imo BBF should have been replaced by autonomy for the Tcs within a Unitary state. Nevertheless it may still be possible to find a good BBF solution without derogations and nonsense, however it's really hard I think. How hard it is it will show when they start discussing the property issue. I still have some hopes, we will see...