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[supporttheunderdog]

There is no Allah. Cursed be those who kill in the name of a false god. May they discover there is no paradise as they die. May that death be as painful as inflicted on others in the name of the false god, called Allah.

[Garavnoss]

There is no Allah. Cursed be those who kill in the name of a false god. May they discover there is no paradise as they die. May that death be as painful as inflicted on others in the name of the false god, called Allah.

Bold words indeed my friend, I wonder if YOU and "Old Lick Arse" would care to attend a mosque and declare your opinion ?, you would be welcomed in (providing you removed your shoes (or sandals) and performed the expected rituals of cleanliness) but I doubt if you would be coming out again.

You might even find yourselves strapped together on a rooftop somewhere !.

[supporttheunderdog]

There is no Allah. Cursed be those who kill in the name of a false god. May they discover there is no paradise as they die. May that death be as painful as inflicted on others in the name of the false god, called Allah.

Bold words indeed my friend, I wonder if YOU and "Old Lick Arse" would care to attend a mosque and declare your opinion ?, you would be welcomed in (providing you removed your shoes (or sandals) and performed the expected rituals of cleanliness) but I doubt if you would be coming out again.

You might even find yourselves strapped together on a rooftop somewhere !.

that itself shows the intolerance and thus evil of Islam , at least the version preached by IS/DAESH, where it refuses to accept an alternative point of view and can only kill those who do not share their point of view: what are they afraid of?

I do not believe in killing those who do not agree to my view of religion. Indeed I rather view holding religious views (and not believing in any particular alleged god is a religious POV) like a Penis. Good to have but not to have some one elses waved in your face.

[Tim Drayton]

This is the DAESH ultra-fascist viewpoint. They believe that they have the monopoly on the truth - which in their world view only God has - and this justifies them in killing anybody who disagrees with them. I have actually met many Muslims who are happy to debate with an atheist like me.

[Tim Drayton]

They are not even following what they consider to be their own holy book, as per 60:8 and 9 of the same:

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لا يَنْهَاكُمْ اللَّهُ عَنْ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَلَمْ يُخْرِجُوكُمْ مِنْ دِيَارِكُمْ أَنْ تَبَرُّوهُمْ وَتُقْسِطُوا إِلَيْهِمْ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ

“Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.”

إِنَّمَا يَنْهَاكُمْ اللَّهُ عَنْ الَّذِينَ قَاتَلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَأَخْرَجُوكُمْ مِنْ دِيَارِكُمْ وَظَاهَرُوا عَلَى إِخْرَاجِكُمْ أَنْ تَوَلَّوْهُمْ وَمَنْ يَتَوَلَّهُمْ فَأُوْلَئِكَ هُمْ الظَّالِمُونَ

“It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zalimun (the wrong-doers).”'

[Tim Drayton]

One Arab cartoonist’s view of DAESH:



"Daesh, you're understanding the religion wrong."

[Garavnoss]

This is the DAESH ultra-fascist viewpoint. They believe that they have the monopoly on the truth - which in their world view only God has - and this justifies them in killing anybody who disagrees with them. I have actually met many Muslims who are happy to debate with an atheist like me.

Possibly, and the fact that you ""Debated" is clearly an indication that you were engaged on issues that were open to discussion and points of view mulled over twixt two or more intelligent people.

I doubt very much that you insulted the Prophet [pbuh] or denied them the right to worship Allah [the merciful] or took the piss out of their belief in the hereafter, had you done so with the same vicious condemnation as your "Lick Arse Buddy", you would not now be in a position to pen the words you have just presented.

No true believer in the tenets of Islam would tolerate such face to face confrontation, they would [by accepting such insult] be in breach of EVERYTHING they hold to be true.

Without the consent of Allah [the merciful], mere mankind would not be able to draw life's breath, so great is the belief of those who truly believe,.............., an intelligent person should know this.

[Tim Drayton]

This is the DAESH ultra-fascist viewpoint. They believe that they have the monopoly on the truth - which in their world view only God has - and this justifies them in killing anybody who disagrees with them. I have actually met many Muslims who are happy to debate with an atheist like me.

Possibly, and the fact that you ""Debated" is clearly an indication that you were engaged on issues that were open to discussion and points of view mulled over twixt two or more intelligent people.

I doubt very much that you insulted the Prophet [pbuh] or denied them the right to worship Allah [the merciful] or took the piss out of their belief in the hereafter, had you done so with the same vicious condemnation as your "Lick Arse Buddy", you would not now be in a position to pen the words you have just presented.

No true believer in the tenets of Islam would tolerate such face to face confrontation, they would [by accepting such insult] be in breach of EVERYTHING they hold to be true.

Without the consent of Allah [the merciful], mere mankind would not be able to draw life's breath, so great is the belief of those who truly believe,.............., an intelligent person should know this.

You talk about Allah the merciful, so consider the following:

1- People do not chose their sexual orientation; it is genetically predetermined.

2- Those indoctrinated in any of the toxic strains of Abrahamism - and both Christianity and Islam are deviations from Judaism and there is nothing essentially different about the belief system underlying them (and all three have brought massive conflict and suffering on humanity over the years) - believe that God in his almighty wisdom and for a purpose that no mere human can ever fathom created this universe and all that is in it, so this must mean that God wished for some people to be gay.This is how he, in his almighty wisdom, created them.

Is there not then a dilemma, if not an outright contradiction, about killing gays, whom God, said by Muslims to be compassionate and merciful, himself created and so must have wished to exist, especially when it says in the text that Muslims believe to be the very word of God that it is forbidden to kill people (Quran 17:33)? Does this mean that God deliberately created some people whom he wished others to kill?

[Tim Drayton]

What is really needed to determine whether the texts on which Islam is based are true or false is a testable hypothesis. Well, how about this one? It is stated in what is considered to be a reliable hadith (sayings about the life and times of the so-called prophet on which Sharia law is based) that the alleged prophet once pulled off a miracle in which he brought the moon down to the earth in two halves and that a mountain known as Jabal al-Nour was visible between the two parts (B 58:35 hadith number 208). Well, all we have to do is compare the size of this mountain and the moon based on the knowledge we now have thanks to science. For the mountain to be visible between the two halves of the moon, it would have to be bigger than the moon, otherwise the mountain would have been dwarfed by the two halves of the moon and would not have been visible. Well, it seems that this mountain is 640 m tall, while the moon is 3476 km across, so I am afraid that if the moon had been brought down to the earth in two halves there is no way this mountain would have been visible between them.

[Garavnoss]

Once one accepts [and I refer to the faithful] that Allah [the merciful] is THE creator of all things, mankind's own contribution to that creation diminishes to the status of irrelevance.

Without the consent of Allah [the merciful] mankind wouldn't even be able to draw breath.

The lifespan of each individual is the "Testing Time" and is under constant scrutiny until span of life allowed, expires, it is as simple as that and requires little more explanation.

The interpretation of the Noble Qur'an is a matter for those [True Believers] who are able to conduct their lives AND spread the messages contained within it's verses to those of us who are unable to grasp the true meanings of such verses, nor interpret them correctly since they can only be understood and interpreted by those who know that it is the gift of Allah [the merciful] to mankind through The Prophet [pbuh] and that it is perfect and pure and cannot be altered in ANY way [which is why it cannot be interpreted successfully into any other language] despite so many supposedly learned views to the contrary.

I am certainly not qualified to, nor even inclined to submit to a person [such as yourself] who persistently ridicules the tenets of Islam, any views which may place me in a position where I could be in breach of my own beliefs.

If you are content to wallow in your ignorance, there is little I can offer which might help you to become more knowledgeable about a subject of which you have no understanding, I can only suggest [as I have done in the past] that you should consult a greater authority on the subject than my humble and unworthy self.

You may even learn something which may lift you from the squalor of your ignorance.