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[Sotos]

Fact is that the words you listed are linguistically cognate with other languages. Can you give us some examples of words, and their phonetics, from the pre Hellenic period of Cyprus?

Sorry mate but I don't believe in a "hellenic period" in Cyprus.

Here's what is FACT. All European languages originate from Phoenician, and Phoenicia INCLUDED Cyprus!

Do you see how it all comes back home to Cyprus?

You are again confusing alphabet with language!! Phoenician was a Semitic language, nothing to do with the Indo-European languages of Europe. And by the way, the Phoenicians came to Cyprus AFTER the Greeks and they inhabited just the eastern part of the island.

[Get Real!]

Fact is that the words you listed are linguistically cognate with other languages. Can you give us some examples of words, and their phonetics, from the pre Hellenic period of Cyprus?

Sorry mate but I don't believe in a "hellenic period" in Cyprus.

Here's what is FACT. All European languages originate from Phoenician, and Phoenicia INCLUDED Cyprus!

Do you see how it all comes back home to Cyprus?

You are again confusing alphabet with language!! Phoenician was a Semitic language, nothing to do with the Indo-European languages of Europe. And by the way, the Phoenicians came to Cyprus AFTER the Greeks and they inhabited just the eastern part of the island.

The TANGIBLE Amarna tablets (currently available at the British museum) prove beyond any reasonable doubt that there were no Greeks in Cyprus and that Cyprus was an independent entity circa 1500BC.

The bible also contains plenty of evidence of Cypriots TEACHING Greeks (and others) about the word of God at around 50AD and making a clear distinction between two different peoples.

So, I really have no idea when you’re imagining that “Greeks” were here!

How about we start by you giving us a DATE? Let’s start with that and I’ll investigate.

[Paphitis]

Still cannot figure out the evidentiary value of that list of words.

Obviously our Hirokitian ancestors did not wear Pattalonia, the word came into use after the adoption of trousers in the 19th century as the main male garment, and in any case it was initially called Chattali.

Shipettos is also a uniquely Cypriot term, used only by us and no other Greek locality. Hardly a Cypriot word though, in Italian Schiopetto is a little explosion, and in the south of Italy, in their dialect, it is pronounnced Shopetto, from which we got Shipetto and in Spain it was corrupted to Escopeta and claimed as a "Basque" word by their equivalents of GR.

The use of an Italian word for shotgun in Cyprus is fascinating considering the Venetians left in 1571 and the word survived three hundred years of Ottoman presence. Fascinating also because in Greek they call it toufeki, or tsiftes (for double barreled shotguns), both Turkish words, and do not recognise the word shipettos. Strange also that we would retain a southern Italian word and not a northern, (Venetian or Genoan) one, there they call a shotgun doppietta.

The Mediterranean is probably not the best place to try to lay claim to racial or linguistic purity.

Only a delusional fool, like GR, would think that he has Shirokitian ancestors!

Ahem... me too Choirokitian.

We Choirokitians need to distinguish ourselves from the Balkan Slavic hordes.

[Paphitis]

Chirokitians went extinct long time before the period that GR is talking about. Those people in 1500BC were different groups of people that came to Cyprus some 1000s of years after the Chirokitians. They are probably also our ancestors from a genetic point of view but NOT linguistically. Our language has nothing to do with theirs. Such people lived everywhere ... humans existed on earth for over 100.000 years. So nothing special about Cyprus in this regard. On mainland Greece and other Greek islands there have also been pre-Greek populations... most famous of which is the Minoan civilization of Crete... which was far more advanced than what we had in Cyprus at the time.

You're getting your knickers in a twist... when it comes to Cyprus everything is extinct, expired, gone, replaced, dead, etc but when it comes to all things Greek they are fresh, ever lasting, here now and forever, and all sorts of one-sided Greece-serving baloney!

Grow up Sotos.

Unbelievable isn't it?

Sotos studied at the University of Athaneucia!

[GreekIslandGirl]

But here’s what is completely DAFT… the assumption that the ancient people of THIS country disappeared and were replaced by the ancient people of another country!

The ancient people on the island of Cyprus ( ~ 10,000 years ago) were the same as the ancient people of that time, on all other present-day Greek islands plus some areas now no longer under Greek influence.

(Unfortunately, though, present day 'might is right' has done the sort of "disappearance and replacement" which you deny - the removal of native Greeks from northern Cyprus and their replacement by Turkish military and unwanted Anatolians.)

[Paphitis]

But here’s what is completely DAFT… the assumption that the ancient people of THIS country disappeared and were replaced by the ancient people of another country!

The ancient people on the island of Cyprus ( ~ 10,000 years ago) were the same as the ancient people of that time, on all other present-day Greek islands plus some areas now no longer under Greek influence.

(Unfortunately, though, present day 'might is right' has done the sort of "disappearance and replacement" which you deny - the removal of native Greeks from northern Cyprus and their replacement by Turkish military and unwanted Anatolians.)

No we weren't! It's not possible.

We are completely different people and that should be obvious to you.

[Sotos]

Fact is that the words you listed are linguistically cognate with other languages. Can you give us some examples of words, and their phonetics, from the pre Hellenic period of Cyprus?

Sorry mate but I don't believe in a "hellenic period" in Cyprus.

Here's what is FACT. All European languages originate from Phoenician, and Phoenicia INCLUDED Cyprus!

Do you see how it all comes back home to Cyprus?

You are again confusing alphabet with language!! Phoenician was a Semitic language, nothing to do with the Indo-European languages of Europe. And by the way, the Phoenicians came to Cyprus AFTER the Greeks and they inhabited just the eastern part of the island.

The TANGIBLE Amarna tablets (currently available at the British museum) prove beyond any reasonable doubt that there were no Greeks in Cyprus and that Cyprus was an independent entity circa 1500BC.

The bible also contains plenty of evidence of Cypriots TEACHING Greeks (and others) about the word of God at around 50AD and making a clear distinction between two different peoples.

So, I really have no idea when you’re imagining that “Greeks” were here!

How about we start by you giving us a DATE? Let’s start with that and I’ll investigate.

You will investigate? Dude, you are BLIND to anything that doesn't suit your position. You are so blind that even in the sources that YOU give you only read what you want to read and you are BLIND to everything that doesn't suit you. Earlier you posted this link: http://www.ancientscripts.com/cypriot.html

The island of Cyprus has been a focus of cross-cultural interaction for many millenia. Its name stems from the root as the English (as well as Latin and Greek) word 'copper'. However, Cyprus's ancient non-Greek, non-alphabetic inscriptions are of tremendous importance. While the earliest examples dating from as early as 1500 BCE cannot be read, comparisons clearly show that the Cypriot syllabary seemed to have derived from Linear A, and therefore is like a sibling to Linear B. For this reason, sometimes the script at this very early stage is called Cypro-Minoan, to distinguish it from the Cypriot script used for writing Greek after the 12th century BCE.

When the the Greek alphabet was invented in 8th century BC it replaced the Cypriot script and that is what we have been using ever since to write our language which is GREEK, and not any Semitic language.

And those Cypriots that were doing the teaching according the Bible were NOT Greeks but Jews (who became Christians)

According to Acts 4:36 Barnabas was a Cypriot Jew.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnabas

Cyprus had a large Jewish minority in those times but it was destroyed some time later:

Under the leadership of one Artemion, the Cyprian Jews participated in the great uprising against the Romans under Trajan (117), and they are reported to have massacred 240,000 Greeks (Dio Cassius, lxviii. 32). Thisinsurrection was finally quelled after considerable bloodshed (perhaps by Q. Marcius Turbo, who suppressed the uprising in Cyrene and Egypt), with the result that the Jews of Cyprus were almost entirely extirpated.

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/4825-cyprus

[Get Real!]

RE: The picture with the tablet.

I would like to ask the idiot who typed that out on the card what he/she meant by “a Greek inscription”!

And would it also be possible to write a Turkish inscription using someone else’s alphabet!

If I write in English… “Once upon a time there were 3 little pigs” would this be an English inscription?

And how does one determine the “nationality” of an inscription?

It goes to show how FUCKED UP this entire industry is!

[Get Real!]

And those Cypriots that were doing the teaching according the Bible were NOT Greeks but Jews (who became Christians)

Research the difference between nationality and religion!

[Sotos]

RE: The picture with the tablet.

I would like to ask the idiot who typed that out on the card what he/she meant by “a Greek inscription”!

And would it also be possible to write a Turkish inscription using someone else’s alphabet!

If I write in English… “Once upon a time there were 3 little pigs” would this be an English inscription?

And how does one determine the “nationality” of an inscription?

It goes to show how FUCKED UP this entire industry is!

It just goes to show how uneducated you are Of course you can write a language using any number of scripts. You are doing this yourself when you write "tzilla do amaxoui sou bio tzi" And funny that you used Turkish as example... because the Turks are currently using the Latin alphabet and before that they used the Arabic alphabet to write Turkish. And the English are also using the Latin Alphabet even though it was not initially created to write English or any other Germanic languages.