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REFUGEES OR ECONOMIC / ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

Poll ended at Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:58 pm

A. GENUINE REFUGEES
2
50%
B. ECONOMIC / ILLEGAL MIGRANTS
2
50%
 
Total votes : 4

Re: REFUGEES OR ECONOMIC / ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:35 pm

Jerry wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:Erdoğan is currently in Brussels for talks with various people from the EU. The expected outcome is that Turkey will be given a lot of money by the EU to pay for hosting Syrian refugees in Turkey and improve conditions at refugee camps, while at the same time EU border control forces will be allowed to operate on Turkish territory and turn back refugees who attempt to travel on to the EU. (I can't help wondering why they are meeting Erdoğan, who is no longer prime-minister of Turkey but occupies the post of president, which under the Turkish constitution is a purely ceremonial position. This is tantamount to recognising Erdoğan as de-facto dictator of Turkey, a position he himself aspires to, but this is hardly consistent with the supposed European value of respect for the rule of law.)


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As for him being recognised as de-facto dictator I'm afraid for the time being EU has little choice, he has Europe by the short and curlies. Let's hope the EU has a good memory. Whatever the result of next month's election I presume he will still be president, should be interesting if the opposition parties win.


I am not so sure if I agree with that. There are repeat parliamentary elections in Turkey in less than a month and unless the AKP can form a majority government afterwards, Erdoğan's position looks very shaky to me. All the polls are showing that the AKP will not get enough seats to form a majority government. There is no doubt that the AKP will do all it can to rig the poll. It has already been announced, citing security concerns, that polling stations will not be set up in quite a few villages in the south east and people will have to travel to other villages to vote - by some strange 'coincidence', these all happen to be villages with a past record of voting for opposition parties. There has been a wave of arrests in the past few days targeting some candidates for the opposition HDP party and key people within the party, obviously in the hope of affecting their ability to canvass, and it is crucial for the HDP to get over the 10% threshold to deny the AKP a parliamentary majority. I still think, unless they produce something else from their sleeves to rig the poll, that the AKP will not gain a parliamentary majority. If a coalition excluding the AKP is formed, the widespread expectation is for the December 2013 anti-corruption investigations to be relaunched, and it was clear from the material already leaked into the public domain at that the time that there is plenty of material to convict both Erdoğan and a great many others in the leading echelons of his party. There are already plausible rumours that Erdoğan is preparing to flee the country if the election does not go his way. I do not see him being in a strong position at all just now. I keep my fingers crossed that the nightmare for the Turkish people will soon come to an end. As such, I think Europe's approach is very misguided. In fact, if the West wants to get shot of Erdoğan (and I have no idea if it does or not), they have a unique opportunity to intervene behind the scenes and make sure a coalition excluding the AKP can be formed.

As you say, if the opposition forms a government and he is not prosecuted, he will still be president. But, his current strength derives not from being president, but from being the puppet master from behind the scenes of the AKP when the latter had a parliamentary majority. Otherwise he will have no power as president, given there appears to be no chance of a constitutional change that will introduce a presidential system and give him the Putin-style power he hankers after.
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Re: REFUGEES OR ECONOMIC / ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:52 pm

Nothing came of it anyway, as I personally, a hater of all dictators and those who aspire towards dictatorship, am glad to say (as it does nothing to enhance Erdoğan’s reputation in the run-up to the elections):

Despite all these signals, Erdogan’s talks in Brussels did not produce the results predicted or implied in the Western media reports. On Oct. 6, the EU Commission published the “Draft Action Plan” for refugee and migration management issues while Erdogan was in session with Juncker. It added, uncharacteristically: "Version handed over on 5 October 2015 by European Commission President Juncker to the President of the Republic of Turkey Erdogan."

My source in Brussels who is privy to the substance of the talks between Erdogan and three presidents of the EU institutions told me that the timing of the text and emphasis on the word “draft” signal that the sides did not agree on it. Both Erdogan and the EU need each other, but their positions remain far apart and it is not easy to bridge them.


Read more: http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/origina ... z3nyZLiBv7

My own thinking is that surely the EU could equally well pay Greece a tidy sum to house all the refugees there and make sure that they move no further westward. I don’t know much about Greece, but it must have sparsely populated regions where refugee camps providing a good standard of care could be built and the money spent by refugees there (they would presumably be given some sort of monetary allowance) would help a little to boost the local economy. Given that Greece is bankrupt it could use the money and it will help to stabilise Europe and lessen the chance of a destabilising Grexit, and economic migrants posing as refugees will no longer be tempted to come if they see that there are strict measures in place to stop them moving on elsewhere, given that Greece is not the Shangri-La they are attempting to reach. Sounds like win-win-win to me.
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Re: REFUGEES OR ECONOMIC / ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

Postby miltiades » Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:40 pm

" THE European Union is secretly planning to deport hundreds of thousands of failed asylum seekers within weeks, according to reports."
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/610 ... heresa-May

How odd indeed !! Only 4 members bothered to voice an opinion. Europe now planning to deport thousands of so called ...refugees.
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Re: REFUGEES OR ECONOMIC / ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

Postby Lordo » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:28 pm

there is no so called refugees not while you bastards arm section of a country and burn it to smithereens. get out of other peoples countries assholes
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Re: REFUGEES OR ECONOMIC / ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

Postby DrCyprus » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:50 pm

Lordo wrote:get out of other peoples countries assholes


Tell your nation to follow your advice.
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Re: REFUGEES OR ECONOMIC / ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

Postby Get Real! » Thu Oct 08, 2015 8:54 pm

Lordo wrote:get out of other peoples countries assholes

Are you talking to Turkey? :?
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Re: REFUGEES OR ECONOMIC / ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

Postby Lordo » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:09 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Lordo wrote:get out of other peoples countries assholes

Are you talking to Turkey? :?

dont worry about terggy. once we sign the agreement if she does not get out of cyprus, not only will i be calling for her to go, i will join you in the fight to kick her out. but first we sign the bbf.
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Re: REFUGEES OR ECONOMIC / ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

Postby DrCyprus » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:38 pm

Lordo wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Lordo wrote:get out of other peoples countries assholes

Are you talking to Turkey? :?

dont worry about terggy. once we sign the agreement if she does not get out of cyprus, not only will i be calling for her to go, i will join you in the fight to kick her out. but first we sign the bbf.


Is there a physical or digital copy of the conditions of this bbf?

Hint, if the word 'guarantor power' appears anywhere on it it's not worth the paper it's written on.
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Re: REFUGEES OR ECONOMIC / ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

Postby Lordo » Thu Oct 08, 2015 9:43 pm

so next time the fascists attack you, who is coming to your aid? greace, i think not.
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Re: REFUGEES OR ECONOMIC / ILLEGAL MIGRANTS

Postby DrCyprus » Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:26 pm

Lordo wrote:so next time the fascists attack you, who is coming to your aid? greace, i think not.


The problems of Cyprus are our problems and we will deal with them on our own. We do not need a mommy nor a daddy. If you feel the need to hold hands with any other country, please just move there and leave us alone you child.
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