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[Garavnoss]

"The savage loves his native shores", this well known saying sums up nicely the meaning of 'Patriotism', every person has a place of origin and most regard that place as their homeland.

On this forum there are many who leap to the defence of their country at the merest slight, they display all the characteristics of what one would expect of a patriot and they should be commended for that.

It is an honourable thing to be patriotic, it is also a right and a duty to be so, BUT, there are times when it becomes difficult.

I think we are now living in one of those difficult times, there is much conflict between many members (even within the confines of this small forum) and it grieves me to observe it.

The whole world seems to be in turmoil as we members exchange our views on various topics, harsh words and insults are tossed into most of the discussions and they become arguments due to those facts.

The end result is predictable,nothing will be solved, nothing will be learned and nothing will be gained by any of the participants.

Such a situation need not be the norm if we adopt a different approach to our exchanges, it is not difficult and is within the reach of us all.

First, let us accept that for as much as WE may be patriotic, OTHERS are as entitled to their own patriotic feelings, in accepting that small fact, we may begin to understand the differences that exist between us all.

There is little point in constantly referring to the words and agreements made between politicians when we know that they thrive on the very disharmony they create, repeating the logic of those who have led us into confusion, will not increase our knowledge, it will slowly destroy us.

If I utter the words of a wise man, that does not make me wise, it should make me strive for wisdom also for I have recognized it in him.

The current situation in the Middle East is a disgrace to the nations that are involved in it, we all know that, we all should condemn it, it will solve nothing and will end in shame.

We, as members of this forum, should not allow the hatreds apparent in those conflicts, to permeate our discussions here, we all know of the horrors resulting from the actions of suicide bombers and extremists, let us debate the origins of these actions, let us discover WHY these actions have become an everyday event, let us uncover the reasons for all this hatred, if we can do that, we may be able to understand our own actions and the actions of others, those who are different to ourselves.

[Lordo]

the problem is that the oppressors do not see what it is they are doing wrong and believe that they are defending their own country by attacking another. you can go back all the way to the roman times and you will see every empire have had the same policy. it has brought nothing but chaos and destruction to the world and it continues to do so.

[Paphitis]

the problem is that the oppressors do not see what it is they are doing wrong and believe that they are defending their own country by attacking another. you can go back all the way to the roman times and you will see every empire have had the same policy. it has brought nothing but chaos and destruction to the world and it continues to do so.

Just bomb the oppressors and destroy them.

That is what we are trying to do!

[supporttheunderdog]

the problem is that the oppressors do not see what it is they are doing wrong and believe that they are defending their own country by attacking another. you can go back all the way to the roman times and you will see every empire have had the same policy. it has brought nothing but chaos and destruction to the world and it continues to do so.

Just bomb the oppressors and destroy them.

That is what we are trying to do!

Regrettably that is what e.g the suicide bombers think they are doing. .... We may think they are wrong but when their heads are filled e.g. with the mumbo jumbo of religion, and what they are doing is somehow holy, one has a problem pursuading them of the error of their thinking and thus their ways.

[Lordo]

the problem is that the oppressors do not see what it is they are doing wrong and believe that they are defending their own country by attacking another. you can go back all the way to the roman times and you will see every empire have had the same policy. it has brought nothing but chaos and destruction to the world and it continues to do so.

Just bomb the oppressors and destroy them.

That is what we are trying to do!

how did you come to conclusion that you are being oppressed. do you actually understand what the word means.

[Garavnoss]

the problem is that the oppressors do not see what it is they are doing wrong and believe that they are defending their own country by attacking another. you can go back all the way to the roman times and you will see every empire have had the same policy. it has brought nothing but chaos and destruction to the world and it continues to do so.

Just bomb the oppressors and destroy them.

That is what we are trying to do!

Regrettably that is what e.g the suicide bombers BELIEVE they are doing. .... We may think they are wrong but when their heads are filled e.g. with the mumbo jumbo of religion, and what they are doing is somehow holy, one has a problem pursuading them of the error of their BELIEF and thus their ways.

Hope you don't mind my making an adjustment to your post..., what you have written at least points toward your making an effort to understand that there is a very wide chasm between Western [may we select Christian?] and Eastern [particularly Muslim] opinion of what or who is responsible for the awful events in the Middle Eastern [and other] regions.

Whatever proposals are being made [or have been made in the past] to bring about peace to the regions in question, the Western powers have always maintained an inflexible stance regarding THEIR beliefs and THAT cannot be accepted as "JUST" by those who view such beliefs as inferior to their own.

The example set by the Western powers {culturally] is hardly worthy of recognition as "Superior", when viewed through the eyes of nations that are inhabited by people that hold their faith above ALL else.

The Western powers have made a serious mistake in under-estimating the retaliatory actions of people who BELIEVE in the justice of their cause and will not capitulate to the bullying tactics imposed upon them by foreign forces.

The more the bombing raids and missile attacks are used to force these people into submission, the more the numbers of those who fight against them will increase, the more the "Migrants" will flee their devastated homes and the greater the problem will become.

We should ALL be discussing [quite un-biasedly] the situation [IN OUR OWN WORDS} and perhaps we may reach an agreement which may help us to at least consider the plight of the "Migrants" with a little more kindness and less "Bad Language".

[Paphitis]

the problem is that the oppressors do not see what it is they are doing wrong and believe that they are defending their own country by attacking another. you can go back all the way to the roman times and you will see every empire have had the same policy. it has brought nothing but chaos and destruction to the world and it continues to do so.

Just bomb the oppressors and destroy them.

That is what we are trying to do!

how did you come to conclusion that you are being oppressed. do you actually understand what the word means.

They are oppressing their people Boofhead! They are oppressors so we are trying to kill them.

Go make some more kebabs will ya!

[Paphitis]

the problem is that the oppressors do not see what it is they are doing wrong and believe that they are defending their own country by attacking another. you can go back all the way to the roman times and you will see every empire have had the same policy. it has brought nothing but chaos and destruction to the world and it continues to do so.

Just bomb the oppressors and destroy them.

That is what we are trying to do!

Regrettably that is what e.g the suicide bombers BELIEVE they are doing. .... We may think they are wrong but when their heads are filled e.g. with the mumbo jumbo of religion, and what they are doing is somehow holy, one has a problem pursuading them of the error of their BELIEF and thus their ways.

Hope you don't mind my making an adjustment to your post..., what you have written at least points toward your making an effort to understand that there is a very wide chasm between Western [may we select Christian?] and Eastern [particularly Muslim] opinion of what or who is responsible for the awful events in the Middle Eastern [and other] regions.

Whatever proposals are being made [or have been made in the past] to bring about peace to the regions in question, the Western powers have always maintained an inflexible stance regarding THEIR beliefs and THAT cannot be accepted as "JUST" by those who view such beliefs as inferior to their own.

The example set by the Western powers {culturally] is hardly worthy of recognition as "Superior", when viewed through the eyes of nations that are inhabited by people that hold their faith above ALL else.

The Western powers have made a serious mistake in under-estimating the retaliatory actions of people who BELIEVE in the justice of their cause and will not capitulate to the bullying tactics imposed upon them by foreign forces.

The more the bombing raids and missile attacks are used to force these people into submission, the more the numbers of those who fight against them will increase, the more the "Migrants" will flee their devastated homes and the greater the problem will become.

We should ALL be discussing [quite un-biasedly] the situation [IN OUR OWN WORDS} and perhaps we may reach an agreement which may help us to at least consider the plight of the "Migrants" with a little more kindness and less "Bad Language".

The chasm is not that wide at all and neither do we want to change their society.

There are so many so called "Eastern" countries which are among the best in the world and doing just fine - UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, QATAR, Oman just to name a few.

[Garavnoss]

the problem is that the oppressors do not see what it is they are doing wrong and believe that they are defending their own country by attacking another. you can go back all the way to the roman times and you will see every empire have had the same policy. it has brought nothing but chaos and destruction to the world and it continues to do so.

Just bomb the oppressors and destroy them.

That is what we are trying to do!

Regrettably that is what e.g the suicide bombers BELIEVE they are doing. .... We may think they are wrong but when their heads are filled e.g. with the mumbo jumbo of religion, and what they are doing is somehow holy, one has a problem pursuading them of the error of their BELIEF and thus their ways.

Hope you don't mind my making an adjustment to your post..., what you have written at least points toward your making an effort to understand that there is a very wide chasm between Western [may we select Christian?] and Eastern [particularly Muslim] opinion of what or who is responsible for the awful events in the Middle Eastern [and other] regions.

Whatever proposals are being made [or have been made in the past] to bring about peace to the regions in question, the Western powers have always maintained an inflexible stance regarding THEIR beliefs and THAT cannot be accepted as "JUST" by those who view such beliefs as inferior to their own.

The example set by the Western powers {culturally] is hardly worthy of recognition as "Superior", when viewed through the eyes of nations that are inhabited by people that hold their faith above ALL else.

The Western powers have made a serious mistake in under-estimating the retaliatory actions of people who BELIEVE in the justice of their cause and will not capitulate to the bullying tactics imposed upon them by foreign forces.

The more the bombing raids and missile attacks are used to force these people into submission, the more the numbers of those who fight against them will increase, the more the "Migrants" will flee their devastated homes and the greater the problem will become.

We should ALL be discussing [quite un-biasedly] the situation [IN OUR OWN WORDS} and perhaps we may reach an agreement which may help us to at least consider the plight of the "Migrants" with a little more kindness and less "Bad Language".

The chasm is not that wide at all and neither do we want to change their society.

There are so many so called "Eastern" countries which are among the best in the world and doing just fine - UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, QATAR, Oman just to name a few.

The "Chasm" referred to, exists in the opinion of "Who or What" is responsible for the awful events in the ME and other regions.

It has nothing to do with affluence although one would expect that " Natural Resources" are a significant factor.

[Paphitis]

The "Chasm" referred to, exists in the opinion of "Who or What" is responsible for the awful events in the ME and other regions.

It has nothing to do with affluence although one would expect that " Natural Resources" are a significant factor.

Well of course!

Naturally the chasm is wide between the West and East with organisations like DAESH.

As far as the ME is concerned and in countries such as the Gulf States, the chasm is not so wide at all.

They are also our good friends even.