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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby Lordo » Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:13 pm

DrCyprus wrote:Nature is not perfect and the universe is not in harmony.

Thousands of human babies are born with debilitating diseases and conditions every week. Never mind the animals and plants with similar conditions.

Just 100 years ago giving birth to a child had a high mortality risk involved for the woman.

of course it is in harmony. we came as gas and we shall end up as gas sooner or later via one of the black holes. what can be more harmonious than the full cycle of life.

birth death and rebirth of the universe.
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby DrCyprus » Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:51 pm

Lordo wrote:
DrCyprus wrote:Nature is not perfect and the universe is not in harmony.

Thousands of human babies are born with debilitating diseases and conditions every week. Never mind the animals and plants with similar conditions.

Just 100 years ago giving birth to a child had a high mortality risk involved for the woman.

of course it is in harmony. we came as gas and we shall end up as gas sooner or later via one of the black holes. what can be more harmonious than the full cycle of life.

birth death and rebirth of the universe.


Are you reciting the quran now?
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby Pyrpolizer » Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:36 pm

There is natural evolution but imo man was not a naturally evolved ape.
It's a product of genetic Engineering.(actually multiple ones)
One day we may learn to genetically Engineer ourselves too and that will be a fascinating breakthrough.
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:40 pm

Pyrpolizer wrote:There is natural evolution but imo man was not a naturally evolved ape.
It's a product of genetic Engineering.(actually multiple ones)
One day we may learn to genetically Engineer ourselves too and that will be a fascinating breakthrough.


GIG is right. GR is wrong. My son works in genetics and he assures me that nature is always experimenting, where survival of the best adapted is the main rule.

The point GR ignores is that nature is not in a fixed state, which does not require adaption of species to enable the specie to continue to survive but is always changing, where continuity requires adaption to the states of change. That said, even if "nature" was fixed some adaptions might make better use of it, and propogate better. As it is nature is not a being that cares about species. Some catastrophe happens and wipes out a large percentage of species, but give it a few hundred million years and there are lots of new ones, filling the spaces. Some may even share some developed characteristics with an extinct species, as at different times and places that particular type of development worked well.

Man is naturally evolved. The researchers keep finding specimens of ancient hominids that show this. We are not however decended from Apes as they are our distant cousins, having a common ancestor probably some 7 mybp. We and apes represent the latest evolutionary developments from that comon ancestor, through diverging branches. We each found different niches which our specific adaptions best suited, and developed from there.

Probably some 600 mya we had a common ancestor with the dinosaurs. It would not be reconiseable as either human or dinosaur, but evolved. Thetefore the birds, thought to be the last surviving devlopments of the dinosaur family, are our even more distant cousins than apes. They too found mechanisms to continue.
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby Get Real! » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:45 pm

I’m not so sure if change that requires a billion years to occur, qualifies as "change"! :lol:
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby GreekIslandGirl » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:18 pm

supporttheunderdog wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:There is natural evolution but imo man was not a naturally evolved ape.
It's a product of genetic Engineering.(actually multiple ones)
One day we may learn to genetically Engineer ourselves too and that will be a fascinating breakthrough.


GIG is right. GR is wrong.


Good theory! :D 8)
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby Lordo » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:20 pm

Get Real! wrote:I’m not so sure if change that requires a billion years to occur, qualifies as "change"! :lol:

the whole point of change is that it happens over a time scale. how long that is, is actually part of the calculation, you can't leave it. so leave it out gr. you know what i mean.
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby Sotos » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:27 pm

What confuses some people are words such as "evolve" and "adapt". These words suggest that there is some intentional change for something better, while this is not the case. A better term is "natural selection". The offspring is a mixture of the DNA of the parents and also there can be some random mutations. A few of those mixtures and mutations result in organisms that are better in surviving and/or better at spreading their DNA in the current environment... and this is especially important when there is evolutionary pressure (a situation where many can't survive). There is nothing strange about this. In fact instead of nature we can do the selection ourselves. That is how we created various breeds of dogs, or crops that are more nutritious and can survive better under different weather conditions and diseases. The difference is that when we do the selection we do it intentionally and have a specific aim, while nature doesn't have intentions or aims (nature is not something that can do any kind of "thinking").
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:34 pm

Get Real! wrote:I’m not so sure if change that requires a billion years to occur, qualifies as "change"! :lol:


If it is not the same at the end as it was at the start, no longer how long the interval it is still change.
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Re: The daftness of the theory of Evolution…

Postby supporttheunderdog » Sat Oct 17, 2015 10:39 pm

Sotos wrote:What confuses some people are words such as "evolve" and "adapt". These words suggest that there is some intentional change for something better, while this is not the case. A better term is "natural selection". The offspring is a mixture of the DNA of the parents and also there can be some random mutations. A few of those mixtures and mutations result in organisms that are better in surviving and/or better at spreading their DNA in the current environment... and this is especially important when there is evolutionary pressure (a situation where many can't survive). There is nothing strange about this. In fact instead of nature we can do the selection ourselves. That is how we created various breeds of dogs, or crops that are more nutritious and can survive better under different weather conditions and diseases. The difference is that when we do the selection we do it intentionally and have a specific aim, while nature doesn't have intentions or aims (nature is not something that can do any kind of "thinking").


I quite agree. The adaptions are not a part of any planned changes but and wirds such as evolve or adapt should not in the context of evolution, imply planning. As you say, survival of the fittest.
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